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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255272 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > For Guix we provide a web interface to Debbugs that also supports > > commenting and indexed search, while aiming to look (if you squint > > really hard) similar to the Github issue tracker: > > > https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ > > Does this satisfy (more or less) those of you who are unhappy with > debbugs? Is this a solution to that issue? I hope so. I cannot speak for all those who use this web interface, but I have heard very positive comments about it over the years. The =E2=80=9Ccomment= via web interface=E2=80=9D feature seems to be in regular use (as far as I can = tell from the logs) and by different people (new contributors as well as old ones). I received enough bug reports about the initial implementation of the search to know that this, too, is used enthusiastically. What I don=E2=80=99t know is if this is *enough* for those who crave the el= usive =E2=80=9Cmodern=E2=80=9D-looking web interface, and would really much rathe= r see us use Gitlab or Github. The features that this web interface offers are obviously different from those of Github and Gitlab, and some are difficult to provide due to the design of Debbugs. But overall I think the experiment has been a success. --=20 Ricardo