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Klingenberg's message of "Wed, 11 Nov 2020 14:25:57 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:193150 Archived-At: "Peder O. Klingenberg" writes: > To my human eyes, it's obvious that CET == +0100. (and CEST == +0200) > I'm in favor of teaching gnus the same interpretation, rather than > insisting on fixing random NNTP servers. I'm guessing most NNTP servers > don't see much new development these days. The "CET" thing is a local customisation -- most NNTP servers use standardised (i.e., numerical) time zones. I'm not necessarily against having parse-time-string guess at what symbolic time zones are supposed to represent, but where do we stop? CET, sure, but then what about BST (Bangladesh Standard Time and Bougainville Standard Time)? parse-time-string not having supported this for, well, ever, and somebody complaining about it in 2020 is perhaps an indicator that there are few misconfigured NNTP servers out there these days. > Besides, there's still a bug if we accept that the date should be read > as UTC0, as you say. +0000 vs +0100 should account for just one hour > difference in the article-lapsed-time, not eight. (03:18:55 +0000 is > 12:18:55 +0900, and the article-lapsed-time should have been something > like "37 minutes, 23 seconds in the future", if I've counted in the > right direction.) I don't think the CET is interpreted as UTC0 -- it's interpreted as local time? And Byung-Hee is in +09:00, which is eight hours from +01:00. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no