From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Caio Henrique Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:29:59 -0300 Message-ID: <87ft3ydl48.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> <56d1484e-6f41-575f-0fbb-fd2bd99ab152@yandex.ru> <87eejqnlxk.fsf@gnus.org> <875z52nlqa.fsf@gnus.org> <87lfdvjvx3.fsf@gnus.org> <871rflj3fh.fsf@gmail.com> <86czz2tusr.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11730"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andy Moreton Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 22 14:33:25 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1krhn3-0002wq-Iw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 14:33:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45484 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krhn2-0003EH-GR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 08:33:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40634) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krhkD-0002H2-W8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 08:30:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-qt1-x841.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::841]:45321) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krhk9-00050k-K5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 08:30:29 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-qt1-x841.google.com with SMTP id g24so8862314qtq.12 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 05:30:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=t4JMdkm1ZSYboyu5NyFr3ILINx/gboxcuSqqu0TdVLw=; b=SKlaEhxY2z9jsw3kqYuEUpBA2zwuOg7C+riGvyiPDstU0mek7EZdSIGEzE3WZReFe7 N9t48TDVanzAwH/gAhhlvasA6kKGY5f7Q4cWCDjllUqzyr260gvgbne/dvjXN63VBd22 t1WESh4DNx94pPWJ51qTpVjvdq8LnKGEKmLUmmMuTTuUFC138sVY82l1r+MoKx+I6Xh/ DD1eWv6V62di9hnhP0FuR9DMVkVA8DsTOTaErfYfIzEWcCaoF5laiZouUOka0d5K2EoT 3xxlZneqvjSwcajAhloFnoVfFz9cWGUcOALhcFe5Wq8ivyPkAjgVK3LdF9m/rKOBruw0 1f+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=t4JMdkm1ZSYboyu5NyFr3ILINx/gboxcuSqqu0TdVLw=; b=MIcXWz0S+dXy1AjRlIylMxMi5zSKXL+3zI4En9U3LTvrHyzTysRMpTtjOJ9scx7GAv hmvf2DjGmHYEo/bkyEfbkiz4BiwMDKjT6yFfA1g5Ey+M18qes5D0CEmdaSqwL3L40eFx y2ORwDUE8n2Ls1hBbqn3h5OIjoKJsxvAm3m5jHFeise3KNhxC4MZQ4nEB8kkbEkqkLYz /S4pYF2nZyXdI/0vkF/p9eiNNXJ1L87yABuSHwJ8b/BYcs3bpTWXkIrp4z3L1bxvR9F6 fobta7snonDWTYZ6umZxiWPbwdQWJPyIDXYussikU+OdmochpC8bvyfinLhzSl7pVR7r aE4Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533R1sY5AhAdOSOzWnGbLJs0NkIVmiXGPrF7vqKQ9Finu2aApVyo s7EeyuO2zBouuQelWHzQOVL87RMn5L8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJynKqfb7DkqEMF3bzR3aNnT//CJEO1SBsTrfuDVLJgjSSVkDsVgqe2tSzQshDL4B4jCzGvC1w== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:66c3:: with SMTP id m3mr9021414qtp.48.1608643820367; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 05:30:20 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain ([181.223.151.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c17sm13284084qkb.13.2020.12.22.05.30.18 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 22 Dec 2020 05:30:19 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: Caio Henrique In-Reply-To: <86czz2tusr.fsf@gmail.com> (Andy Moreton's message of "Tue, 22 Dec 2020 02:54:12 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::841; envelope-from=caiohcs0@gmail.com; helo=mail-qt1-x841.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261485 Archived-At: Andy Moreton writes: > On Mon 21 Dec 2020, Richard Stallman wrote: > >> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] >> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] >> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >> >> Thank you. It is interesting. >> >> One thing I noticed is that there seem to be difficulties in GUD >> (debugging under Emacs). That is a gad situation. Can we encourage >> users to report the problems, and devote effort to debugging them? > > Can you please quote the relevant part of the message you are replying > to ? It is jarring to read a message without any context. That is a > discourtesy to readers, who must work harder to find which part of a > message you are replying to (and some client software makes that harder > by not threading messages properly). > > AndyM I think that he is replying to this part of dickmao's survey commentary: > Gdb in emacs used to be so nice >Time was M-x gdb worked flawlessly. At some point, gud or "Grand Unified >Debugger" became the ring to rule them all, with no discernible loss of >functionality. Then some time in the oughts, things started to go >sideways, and "realgud" attempted to make debugging great again with >limited success. Now the latest pretender to the throne is something >called gdb/mi, with a flashy upstart called "dap-mode" nipping at its >mud-caked heels, but at this point I'm too accustomed to running gdb >outside emacs.