From: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Daniel Mendler <mail@daniel-mendler.de>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] (icomplete-vertical-mode): Add support for affixations and, annotations
Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 21:46:43 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fsyafsng.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvpmxer4mo.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 25 May 2021 16:01:14 -0400")
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>> I see, broken windows. You keep asking for good API's but when things
>> are proposed in that direction "that's good" but doesn't matter.
>
> [ Remember that the whole design of Emacs and ELisp goes against the
> usual software engineering practice of using encapsulation and
> abstraction to modularize the code so that one part can't mess with
> the other.
No it doesn't :-) At least I don't design Lisp (Elisp or CL) systems
that way (or Ruby or JS, for more examples). Encapsulation or
abstraction aren't property of a specific language. Elisp can't
strictly enforce many things the way a C++ compiler refuses to compile,
but that doesn't mean there aren't a bunch of compile-time and run-time
assertions, much less that they are are useless. Among many examples,
just because Emacs Lisp uses a shared symbol namespace (sigh...) hasn't
stopped us from making the '--' convention or, say, carefully deciding
if a variable name should end in "-functions" or "-function". This is
nor bikeshedding for me, it's a daily part of design.
> Instead, Emacs's idea of empowering users means that for one part to
> be able to mess with another is considered a feature rather than
> a bug, and the "abstraction boundaries" are enforced by conventions
> rather than by technical means.
By both. There's always a way to subvert API intent by the programmer.
That's fine, but it doesn't mean it should be easy to. Pretty sure one
can frobnicate the order of the candidates in a single-arg annotation
function, but it's going to be a lot more code.
João
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-05-25 20:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 178+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-05-22 21:00 [PATCH] (icomplete-vertical-mode): Add support for affixations and, annotations Daniel Mendler
2021-05-23 9:37 ` João Távora
2021-05-23 11:10 ` bug#48013: " Daniel Mendler
2021-05-23 19:55 ` João Távora
2021-05-23 20:14 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-23 21:04 ` João Távora
2021-05-23 21:31 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-23 21:54 ` João Távora
2021-05-23 22:38 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-24 22:46 ` João Távora
2021-05-25 3:06 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-25 9:21 ` João Távora
2021-05-26 18:12 ` João Távora
2021-05-26 19:32 ` Daniel Semyonov via Emacs development discussions.
2021-05-23 23:04 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-23 23:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-24 22:54 ` João Távora
2021-05-25 1:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-25 8:39 ` João Távora
2021-05-25 11:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-26 0:03 ` João Távora
2021-05-25 3:12 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-25 9:25 ` João Távora
2021-05-24 19:05 ` João Távora
2021-05-24 19:13 ` João Távora
2021-05-24 19:53 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-24 23:04 ` João Távora
2021-05-25 3:14 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-25 9:31 ` João Távora
2021-05-25 9:40 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-24 22:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-23 23:37 ` Juri Linkov
2021-05-23 23:39 ` Juri Linkov
2021-05-24 10:26 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-24 22:07 ` Juri Linkov
2021-05-25 2:53 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-25 8:30 ` João Távora
2021-05-25 16:59 ` Juri Linkov
2021-05-25 17:46 ` João Távora
2021-05-25 20:37 ` Juri Linkov
2021-05-26 21:45 ` Juri Linkov
2021-05-26 22:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-26 23:17 ` João Távora
2021-05-27 1:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-27 7:29 ` João Távora
2021-05-27 13:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-27 14:19 ` João Távora
2021-05-27 18:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-27 20:58 ` João Távora
2021-05-28 8:08 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-28 8:34 ` João Távora
2021-05-28 9:06 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-28 10:09 ` João Távora
2021-05-28 11:16 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-28 11:41 ` João Távora
2021-05-28 11:55 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-28 12:15 ` João Távora
2021-05-28 12:32 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-28 13:17 ` João Távora
2021-05-28 13:55 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-28 18:46 ` Juri Linkov
2021-05-29 8:11 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-28 12:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-28 13:14 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-28 13:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-28 14:10 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-28 14:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-28 16:01 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-06-01 9:56 ` João Távora
2021-06-01 11:27 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-06-01 12:00 ` João Távora
2021-06-01 12:37 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-06-01 14:30 ` João Távora
2021-06-01 14:40 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-06-01 15:49 ` João Távora
2021-06-01 16:00 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-06-01 18:47 ` João Távora
2021-06-01 19:03 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-06-01 22:32 ` João Távora
2021-06-01 20:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-01 22:39 ` João Távora
2021-06-02 2:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-02 7:53 ` João Távora
2021-06-02 13:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-01 23:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-01 23:22 ` João Távora
2021-06-01 23:29 ` João Távora
2021-06-01 23:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-02 0:02 ` João Távora
2021-06-02 11:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-02 12:59 ` João Távora
2021-06-02 18:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-02 18:52 ` João Távora
2021-06-02 14:19 ` complexity in minibuffer (was: (icomplete-vertical-mode): Add support for affixations and, annotations) Stefan Monnier
2021-06-02 14:33 ` João Távora
2021-06-02 15:06 ` complexity in minibuffer Stefan Monnier
2021-06-02 15:20 ` João Távora
2021-06-02 15:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-02 15:37 ` João Távora
2021-06-02 18:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-02 18:30 ` João Távora
2021-06-02 15:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-02 15:45 ` João Távora
2021-06-02 15:59 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-06-02 16:29 ` João Távora
2021-06-02 15:53 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-06-02 18:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-02 19:03 ` João Távora
2021-06-02 20:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-02 22:11 ` Juri Linkov
2021-06-03 9:04 ` João Távora
2021-06-03 20:28 ` Juri Linkov
2021-06-01 15:58 ` [PATCH] (icomplete-vertical-mode): Add support for affixations and, annotations Stefan Monnier
2021-06-01 16:04 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-06-02 5:17 ` tumashu
2021-06-02 7:48 ` João Távora
2021-06-02 10:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-02 11:04 ` João Távora
2021-06-02 11:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-02 11:33 ` João Távora
2021-06-02 12:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-02 13:16 ` João Távora
2021-06-05 1:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-05 9:21 ` João Távora
2021-06-05 23:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-05 23:25 ` João Távora
2021-06-05 4:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-05 9:26 ` João Távora
2021-06-05 13:02 ` Ergus
2021-06-05 23:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-06 2:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-02 13:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-02 14:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-02 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-02 15:07 ` João Távora
2021-06-05 1:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-05 9:16 ` João Távora
2021-06-01 14:47 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-06-01 14:53 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-06-01 14:58 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-06-01 15:06 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-06-01 15:33 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-06-01 15:41 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-06-01 15:09 ` João Távora
2021-06-01 15:12 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-06-01 15:06 ` João Távora
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2021-06-01 15:24 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-06-01 23:05 ` João Távora
2021-05-24 23:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-24 23:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-23 21:35 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-23 22:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-23 23:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-23 23:42 ` Juri Linkov
2021-05-24 23:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-23 23:35 ` Juri Linkov
2021-05-24 3:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-24 10:34 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-24 16:22 ` Caching where-is-internal (was: (icomplete-vertical-mode): Add support for affixations and, annotations) Stefan Monnier
2021-05-24 16:31 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-24 19:53 ` Caching where-is-internal Stefan Monnier
2021-05-24 20:07 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-24 20:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-24 20:45 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-05-24 21:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-24 21:52 ` [PATCH] (icomplete-vertical-mode): Add support for affixations and, annotations Juri Linkov
2021-05-24 22:41 ` João Távora
2021-05-25 1:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-24 22:37 ` João Távora
2021-05-25 16:53 ` Juri Linkov
2021-05-25 17:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-25 17:40 ` João Távora
2021-05-25 20:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-25 20:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-25 20:46 ` João Távora [this message]
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