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From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>,
	 emacs-devel@gnu.org, Rob Browning <rlb@defaultvalue.org>,
	debian-emacsen@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:47:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fshp4k88.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mtbxiswr.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Sun, 21 Aug 2022 22:16:04 +0800")

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Hello,

On Sun 21 Aug 2022 at 10:16PM +08, Po Lu wrote:

>
> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>
>> Most users don't choose the toolkits -- they use whatever the
>> distribution has configured.  And since most of those use a variation on
>> Gnome Shell, it's natural for the distributions to use the Gtk toolkit
>> for Emacs.
>
> Can't we shout at them to do something else? I've seen the Debian Emacs
> packager here somewhere.

I'm one of the leads for the Debian Emacsen team, though with our
present internal organisation Rob Browning is the person who decides
what gets built, and what you get if you type 'apt-get install emacs'.

Lars is right: so long as GNOME Shell is Debian's default desktop
environment, it's unlikely that we'd change the default away from GTK,
and I don't believe there is any appetite among the desktop and
installer maintainers to switch away from GNOME Shell as the default.

The only other toolkit build we provide is Lucid.  If Emacs upstream
explicitly recommended a no toolkit build, we'd probably add that as
another option.

-- 
Sean Whitton

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-08-21 16:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 288+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <87ilmlluxq.fsf.ref@yahoo.com>
2022-08-21 11:04 ` Abysmal state of GTK build Po Lu
2022-08-21 11:19   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-21 11:44     ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:01       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-21 14:06         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:11           ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-22  1:04             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 11:22   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 11:39     ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 15:54       ` Robert Pluim
2022-08-21 16:32         ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-21 16:46           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 16:50             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 16:58             ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-22  1:13             ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  4:32               ` tomas
2022-08-23  3:44               ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  3:58                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  4:51                   ` tomas
2022-08-21 16:51           ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-21 17:08             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 17:35               ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-22  1:15             ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  2:06               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-23  3:44               ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  4:02                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-25  3:32                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-25  4:18                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:29                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:15                 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-24  3:52                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  8:57                     ` Robert Pluim
2022-08-24 10:43                       ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 11:24                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 11:17                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25  6:25                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-25  6:52                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-25  6:57                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-25  8:28                             ` xdisp.c in C++ (Was: Abysmal state of GTK build) Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25  9:04                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23  3:44               ` Abysmal state of GTK build Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  4:03                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:26                   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-08-23 12:30                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 12:50                       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-08-23 13:01                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-22  1:10           ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 16:51         ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22  1:17           ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  6:47             ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22  1:11         ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  3:44         ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23 12:41           ` Akib Azmain Turja
2022-08-23 13:00             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 11:49   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 12:00     ` Visuwesh
2022-08-21 12:06     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:34       ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:38         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:46           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:59             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:11               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:16                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:17                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:20                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:28                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 18:32                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-22  1:07                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:29                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-21 19:27                     ` Rob Browning
2022-08-22  3:10                       ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-22  5:43                         ` Rob Browning
2022-08-22  7:10                         ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22  7:56                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 16:47                   ` Sean Whitton [this message]
2022-08-21 15:28                 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-22  5:21                   ` Jean Louis
2022-08-22  6:01                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  6:48                     ` Tim Cross
2022-08-22  7:55                       ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  8:32                         ` Tim Cross
2022-08-22  9:44                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 23:19                             ` Tim Cross
2022-08-23  0:57                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  4:44                               ` Consistent theme across the desktop [Re: Abysmal state of GTK build] tomas
2022-08-23 11:45                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:02                                   ` tomas
2022-08-23 12:31                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:48                                       ` tomas
2022-08-23 13:22                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 14:10                                           ` tomas
2022-08-23 15:52                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:38                                           ` Yuri Khan
2022-08-23 16:57                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24  4:23                                               ` tomas
2022-08-24 11:02                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:31                                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52                                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:24                                       ` tomas
2022-08-22  9:04                         ` Abysmal state of GTK build Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2022-08-22 12:10                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 12:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-22 12:59                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 13:08                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  0:42                                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  2:36                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  3:04                                       ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 17:52                                     ` Yilkal Argaw
2022-08-23 18:45                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-24  1:50                                       ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 12:40                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-22 13:03                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 13:08                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-23  0:45                                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 10:30                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-22 13:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  0:46                                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 15:10                             ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-23  6:34                             ` Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2022-08-23  8:58                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  3:46                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  4:04                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52                             ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:27                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:30     ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 13:41         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:46           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 13:47         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:50           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 14:01             ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  7:38             ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23  8:54               ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  9:27                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23  9:39               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23 14:07                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23 14:43                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23 15:29                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-23 16:14                       ` Alternative build systems (Was: Abysmal state of GTK build) Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:36                         ` Alternative build systems Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-23 16:55                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 23:38                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24  1:48                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 12:35                       ` Abysmal state of GTK build Andrea Corallo
2022-08-24 12:57                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24 13:00                         ` Visuwesh
2022-08-24 13:42                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 16:06                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:10                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23 16:24                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 10:11                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 11:18                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 11:30                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 11:47                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 12:16                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-24 12:19                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:23                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-25 12:03                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:35                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25 12:07                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-25 12:19                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:13                             ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 12:16                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24  6:38                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24 11:08                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 11:51                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24 12:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 12:04                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24 12:19                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 12:22                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23 17:10                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-24 10:14                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 10:46                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 10:48                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 11:15                             ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 11:17                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:13                                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 12:20                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:36                                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-25  3:33                       ` Changing the make setup for Emacs Richard Stallman
2022-08-25 22:42                         ` change the Subject line (was: Changing the make setup for Emacs) andrés ramírez
2022-08-21 13:36       ` Abysmal state of GTK build Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:43         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:51           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:04             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:13               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:18                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 15:02                   ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-22  1:18                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 10:04                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22 11:46                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 11:56                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22 12:14                             ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 12:21                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22 13:13                                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 13:19                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23  0:50                                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 11:19                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:17                                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 17:33                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  0:47                                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  2:38                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  3:05                                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:22                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24  3:52                                           ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  3:51                                   ` Jean Louis
2022-08-23  5:14                                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:51                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:34                                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 12:45                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25  3:32                                       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  3:53                                   ` Jean Louis
2022-08-21 14:05       ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-21 14:08         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:15           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:17             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:27               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22  1:09                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  2:32             ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2022-08-24  2:47               ` Po Lu
2022-08-25  3:33                 ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-21 14:06       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-23  3:44       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  3:57         ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52           ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:20             ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  4:34               ` tomas
2022-08-26  3:36               ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:25             ` Tim Cross
2022-08-24  4:37               ` tomas
2022-08-24  7:52                 ` Tim Cross
2022-08-24  4:58               ` Po Lu
2022-08-26  3:36               ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-26  5:26                 ` Tim Cross
2022-08-28  4:06                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-28  4:14                     ` Po Lu
2022-09-04  3:01                       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-28  7:45                     ` Tim Cross
2022-08-21 14:47     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-08-21 14:58       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22  7:05     ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22  7:51       ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  3:46       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23 15:08         ` Visuwesh
2022-08-25 16:01         ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-08-26  1:29           ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  7:00 Payas Relekar
2022-08-23  7:17 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  7:21   ` Payas Relekar
2022-08-23  8:53     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 13:08       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-24  1:16         ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  1:34           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-23 12:05   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:29     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 12:41       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:59         ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 15:13           ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-23 15:18             ` Visuwesh
2022-08-23 16:09             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:41               ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-23 16:59                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 23:25                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24  1:45                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:02                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24  3:41                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 23:25             ` Tim Cross
2022-08-24  4:25               ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  1:36             ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  2:31               ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24  3:23                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:18     ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  8:52       ` Robert Pluim
2022-08-26  3:36       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-26  4:34         ` Po Lu
2022-09-04  3:01           ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-04  5:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-05  4:03               ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-05  8:34               ` Robert Pluim
2022-09-05 14:12                 ` Po Lu
2022-09-07 13:03                 ` Daniel Brooks
2022-08-24  3:52 ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-08-23 13:53 Payas Relekar
2022-08-24  1:15 ` Po Lu
2022-09-04  4:08 Payas Relekar
2022-09-05  4:03 ` Richard Stallman

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