From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
To: Timothy <tecosaur@gmail.com>
Cc: Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>,
Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>,
emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Samuel Loury <konubinix@gmail.com>
Subject: [FR] [Revived] Human readable / customizable link anchors during export (was: stability of toc links)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 19:44:32 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fsfutwin.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8735v4hoxl.fsf@gmail.com>
Timothy <tecosaur@gmail.com> writes:
>> Link stability is still an issue, even if the proposal gives a false
>> sense of security in that area. I don't think we can solve it without
>> creating a cache for export, where you store all previous references for
>> a given file. Even this is not sufficient, because you can export
>> buffers not attached to files.
>
> To me this is a case of "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the
> good", though I do see that a false sense of security may be
> problematic, I consider the benefits to outweigh this.
I would like to revive this thread as we now have an important
development happened after this discussion -- org-persist library. It
can handle caching without a need to have a dedicated cache
implementation for every use-case.
To summarize the previous discussion:
- Org export currently generates ugly link anchors, which degrade the
export output quality. In particular, html export can generate link
anchors like
https://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/languages/ob-doc-ditaa.html#org96b5528
Note that randomly generated #org96b5528 anchor
- The anchors are not just unreadable, but also change on every single
export. (Except for ox-publish, which maintains anchor cache; but not
all the people use or need publishing)
- The random anchors are there for a reason: it is difficult to
derive anchors based on the heading title/contents and avoid
duplicates and also keep track of the same heading being modified.
If we have
* duplicated heading
Text
* duplicated heading
Text
we cannot usefully derive the anchor from the identical headings
even worse
* unique heading
* duplicated heading
can be changed to
* duplicated heading
* duplicated heading
and we cannot find out which old anchor was for which heading
- Further, there appears to be no suitable _universal_ algorithm to
generate human-readable anchors. Timothy proposed one, but it does not
work well for non-Latin text.
----------------------------
Proposal:
1. To avoid collisions, we can add randomness to the anchors:
* This is headline
will be #this-is-headline-<4 random letters>
2. The generated anchors will be cached according to headline text +
headline contents + headline number in the document via org-persist.
During consequent exports, if two out of the three keys match, we
take the cached anchor.
3. Instead of trying to find a silver bullet for human-readable anchor
generator, we allow users to customize it. The default will be
constant "org" yielding "org-Ajjq"-type anchors, just like we have
now. But we can also provide other generators, like the one Timothy
proposed, or better versions contributed in future if there is
demand.
WDYT?
--
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-10-11 13:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-12-08 23:28 stability of toc links Samuel Wales
2020-12-08 23:30 ` Samuel Wales
2020-12-09 1:39 ` Tom Gillespie
2020-12-12 21:51 ` TRS-80
2020-12-12 22:47 ` TRS-80
2022-10-10 0:49 ` Samuel Wales
2022-10-10 1:37 ` Samuel Wales
2022-10-11 3:12 ` Robert Weiner
2022-10-11 11:25 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-09 2:48 ` TEC
2020-12-09 8:45 ` Diego Zamboni
2020-12-09 9:15 ` Carsten Dominik
2020-12-09 21:25 ` Samuel Wales
2020-12-10 9:55 ` Carsten Dominik
2020-12-10 12:49 ` TEC
2020-12-10 14:36 ` TEC
2020-12-11 7:51 ` Carsten Dominik
2020-12-19 6:41 ` Carsten Dominik
2020-12-19 11:22 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-04-18 21:02 ` Samuel Wales
2020-12-14 10:46 ` Dominique Dumont
2021-04-18 10:32 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-04-20 0:58 ` Samuel Wales
2021-04-20 10:34 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-04-21 0:33 ` Samuel Wales
2021-04-21 8:32 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-04-21 13:32 ` Samuel Loury
2021-04-21 16:24 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-04-23 15:15 ` Maxim Nikulin
2021-04-23 20:46 ` Samuel Wales
2021-04-23 20:48 ` Samuel Wales
2021-04-23 20:51 ` Samuel Wales
2021-04-24 3:05 ` Timothy
2021-04-25 17:01 ` Dominique Dumont
2021-04-30 6:24 ` Timothy
2021-04-30 12:20 ` Maxim Nikulin
2021-04-21 23:20 ` Samuel Wales
2021-04-21 23:30 ` Samuel Wales
2021-04-29 21:40 ` TRS-80
2021-04-29 22:18 ` Samuel Wales
2021-04-30 1:48 ` TRS-80
2021-04-30 5:13 ` Tim Cross
2021-04-30 10:02 ` Samuel Loury
2021-04-30 11:12 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-04-30 21:12 ` Tim Cross
2021-05-01 12:36 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-01 12:48 ` Timothy
2021-05-01 13:13 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-01 13:47 ` Timothy
2021-05-01 14:09 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-01 14:22 ` Timothy
2021-05-02 12:10 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-02 20:16 ` Timothy
2022-10-11 11:44 ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2022-10-11 19:20 ` [FR] [Revived] Human readable / customizable link anchors during export Kévin Le Gouguec
2022-10-12 6:33 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-12 17:38 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-05-01 3:08 ` stability of toc links Greg Minshall
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