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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
Cc: Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 10:51:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fsaczxp5.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y+5GjY3FWT8fsA/y@protected.localdomain>

Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:

> Where you Ihor responded with this message:
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2023-02/msg00018.html
>
>> [2022-11-12 14:00 @UTC+2]
>> [2022-11-12 14:00 @UTC-2:30]
>
>> are also fine within the proposed format.
>
> I am not sure what did you intend to show, did you intend to tell
> that:
>
> - 2022-11-12 14:00 @UTC+2 means 2022-11-12 12:00 @UTC ?
>
> In my understanding "@UTC" means "UTC time zone". From above first
> examples it is very confusing to use "UTC" as designation plus
> positive or negative prefix.
>
> It is not common to represent it that way. As if there is any
> designation for UTC, like "UTC" or "@UTC" or "Z", then there is no
> prefix shown, or if any, there will be zero.
>
> And I said, representing time that way by mixing word "UTC" with
> prefix would be confusing, as that practically creates new type of
> time representation that is not ordinarily used.

I mostly wanted to refer to TZ POSIX variable format, which allows
"ABBREVIATION+OFFSET" format. "UTC" is actually ignored there.

Further discussion revealed that UTC+2 is, in fact, even confusing. For
you and also because POSIX uses reversed symbol convention with +2 in TZ
referring to "time 2 hours __before__ UTC time".

@UTC+2 is not something we will recommend. It will be technically
POSIX-complaint, just as @BLAH-1 would be. Either one does not make
much sense.

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
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Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-10 10:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-04 21:38 [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda) Ypo
2023-02-05  3:12 ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-05  9:31 ` Jean Louis
2023-02-05 10:44 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-05 12:12   ` Jean Louis
2023-02-05 13:01     ` ypuntot
2023-02-06 14:15       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-07 21:38       ` Jean Louis
2023-02-06 14:10     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-07 22:19       ` Jean Louis
2023-02-08 10:36         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-10  3:29           ` Jean Louis
2023-02-10 10:48             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-12  9:33               ` Jean Louis
2023-02-12 13:47                 ` tomas
2023-02-14  6:00                   ` Jean Louis
2023-02-14  9:41                     ` Heinz Tuechler
2023-02-14  9:45                       ` tomas
2023-02-14 11:42                         ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-14 15:59                           ` Jean Louis
2023-02-14 16:45                             ` Thomas S. Dye
2023-02-16 14:21                               ` Jean Louis
2023-02-14 16:57                             ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-14 10:45                       ` Jean Louis
2023-03-10 10:46                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-08 13:30                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-10  1:37                   ` Jean Louis
2023-02-11  4:44             ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-12 10:32               ` Jean Louis
2023-02-15 15:17                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-16 15:06                   ` Jean Louis
2023-03-10 10:51                     ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-03-15 14:42             ` Max Nikulin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-02-12 13:27 Ypo
2023-02-04 18:59 ypuntot
2023-02-04 19:45 ` Jean Louis
2023-02-05 17:04 ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-07 21:46   ` Jean Louis
2023-01-17  3:55 [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda Daryl Manning
2023-01-17  8:22 ` Tim Cross
2023-01-17  9:15   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-17  9:45     ` Tim Cross
2023-01-18  9:15       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-18 11:43         ` Tim Cross
2023-01-18 12:02           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-18 21:16             ` Tim Cross
2023-01-19  5:29               ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19  7:23                 ` Tim Cross
2023-01-19 14:32                   ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19 20:09                     ` Tim Cross
2023-01-19 23:02                       ` Thomas S. Dye
2023-01-19 23:51                         ` Tim Cross
2023-01-20  0:24                           ` Thomas S. Dye
2023-01-20  3:46                             ` Tim Cross
2023-01-20  6:14                               ` Thomas S. Dye
2023-01-27  6:06                                 ` Sterling Hooten
2023-01-27 11:09                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-30 11:25                                     ` Greg Minshall
2023-01-31 11:48                                       ` [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda) Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-31 12:19                                         ` Daryl Manning
2023-01-31 12:41                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
     [not found]                                             ` <CAL9aZksf8AGF=dXg0KAtLPyu1ATt1fLpvdsjN6GMCuK2KRQ56w@mail.gmail.com>
2023-01-31 13:33                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-31 13:22                                         ` Jean Louis
2023-01-31 13:46                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-31 19:59                                             ` Jean Louis
2023-02-01 12:42                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-01 15:28                                                 ` Jean Louis
2023-02-01 16:30                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-01-31 20:12                                             ` Jean Louis
2023-02-01  5:46                                               ` tomas
2023-02-01  7:29                                                 ` Jean Louis
2023-02-01  7:52                                                 ` Tim Cross
2023-02-01  8:32                                                   ` Jean Louis
2023-02-01  8:46                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-01  9:38                                                     ` Tim Cross
2023-02-01 10:15                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-01 14:53                                                         ` Jean Louis
2023-02-01 16:36                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-01 10:46                                                       ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-01 14:43                                                       ` Jean Louis
2023-02-01 16:45                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-02  3:05                                                           ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-02  8:59                                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-01 14:38                                                     ` Jean Louis
2023-02-01 16:50                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-01  7:00                                               ` Thomas S. Dye
2023-02-01  7:41                                                 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-31 18:56                                         ` Greg Minshall
2023-02-01 12:48                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-01 12:52                                             ` tomas
2023-02-02  4:49                                               ` Greg Minshall
2023-01-31 20:41                                         ` Tim Cross
2023-01-31 23:50                                         ` Samuel Wales
2023-02-01 13:01                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-04 22:33                                             ` Samuel Wales
2023-02-04 22:49                                               ` Samuel Wales
2023-02-05 10:38                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-01 11:56                                         ` Christian Moe
2023-02-01 12:20                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-01 15:41                                             ` Jean Louis
2023-02-02  8:38                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-03 11:31                                                 ` Jean Louis
2023-02-04 10:58                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-04 19:32                                                     ` Jean Louis
2023-02-05  9:14                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-02  3:46                                         ` Timothy
2023-02-02  9:12                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-02  9:12                                             ` Timothy
2023-02-02  9:20                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-02  9:27                                                 ` Timothy

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