From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding package-vc to ELPA Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 16:24:42 +0000 Message-ID: <87fs8yh3xx.fsf_-_@posteo.net> References: <87tty24ap2.fsf@bernoul.li> <87wn2y5em5.fsf@posteo.net> <87r0t44zbx.fsf@bernoul.li> <87sfde7lh4.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25403"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jonas Bernoulli Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 17 18:25:50 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1poRfo-0006Mw-W9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 18:25:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1poReQ-0002zI-QJ; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 12:24:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1poReN-0002yQ-4D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 12:24:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1poReK-0006C4-Lu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 12:24:18 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20559240257 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 18:24:12 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1681748652; bh=Bjhks9oriCv07AW1+OnIvzxj6E1cF3hN6BUaZQoLv4o=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=DzZflVNQZ7ZjCvH3KOgI8gdQoz1PBJo7xqjELlGFUR9vkPj1aw9aoKgxTmshAtt4q G6xYskHF9uy/1oUATmKL1zApQtmYx8hx8Wp+mZkDZfDdu3nw4wya7d5CL0xaY0a0bi 9Z0c0t+kRoOguuDpAsgfTXF/obMlwGFzFmbZhFpUkjy8tDaJxJkKz+PcRF48DMZoSc 9u6YfOMA3oJyeOTo3bazIDl2SEklFN3H+KMIzLs0WXmVBdPm1vzmGIGpsG/ZP3MkAC jSlQuxfFnSDgcmufdtJkm/81S42AAv8eHTCCZcgtJgZgqE9eU0EBfNdGPtAvt5PBe9 yyOQfTKT8RwiA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Q0XSC4pZyz6tsj; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 18:24:11 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <87sfde7lh4.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Wed, 05 Apr 2023 10:59:51 +0200") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305369 Archived-At: Philip Kaludercic writes: > Jonas Bernoulli writes: > >> Philip Kaludercic writes: >> >>> Jonas Bernoulli writes: >>> >>>> Hello, >>> >>> Hi, hope I can add a few useful comments here. >>> >>>> I would like to request that "package.el" be added to GNU Elpa as a >>>> "core" package. This would make new features available to users who are >>>> stuck on older Emacs releases and it would even bring us one step closer >>>> to being able to make backward incompatible changes in the future. >>>> >>>> Some examples for why that would be desirable: >>>> >>>> - A recent addition that could be useful is the new "package-vc.el" >>>> (which I think should be distributed as part of the `package' package, >>>> but it could also be distributed as a separate core package). >>> >>> This will be difficult, since package-vc depends on the new "vc-clone" >>> function, which would also have to be provided on ELPA to work. >> >> The simplest way to deal with that, while still making the latest >> Package available to users of older Emacs releases, would be to *not* >> include package-vc.el in the Package package. >> >> Going one step further we could make package-vc available as a separate >> package. That would not be of much use *now*, but future improvements >> would then be available to users of Emacs 29. > > I would in principle be interested in supporting this. > >> I had a look at vc-clone and a few vc-*-clone. They seem trivial >> enough to backport, either as part of Compat or in package-vc.el. I have put some more though into this, and I don't think adding the new VC functionality to Compat or package-vc.el would be a good idea. Beside vc-clone we would also need `vc-prepare-patch' and the "last-change" method. What would be imaginable would be to add the package to ELPA and make it depend on Emacs 29? Would that sound useful?