From: Akib Azmain Turja <akib@disroot.org>
To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
Cc: Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net>,
rms@gnu.org, yoni@rabkins.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Distribution statistics for ELPA and EMMS
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 01:00:59 +0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fs3agf84.fsf@disroot.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o7hy9kzz.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Tue, 19 Sep 2023 16:38:08 +0000")
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Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> writes:
> Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net> writes:
>
>> [I just noticed this message from a few months ago.]
>>
>> On 7/16/23 21:25, Richard Stallman wrote:
>>> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
>>> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
>>> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>>> We could have two options for downloading, one which is "for a real
>>> user" and one which is "for periodic testing".
>>> The only difference would be that the former increments the user
>>> download count and the latter does not.
>>
>> I like this idea, but it seems like it would be hard to enforce. It
>> could even go the other way, i.e. have Emacs send a query string or
>> header when installing a package manually, which could be logged and
>> used to filter the download logs later. But even that might be harder
>> than it seems, e.g. if I call a command like:
>>
>> emacs --eval "(package-install FOO)"
>>
>> ...to non-interactively install a package into a local directory for
>> testing, how far, and in how many places, would some kind of flag need
>> to be propagated to end up in the server's logs?
>
> There is an inherent unreliability in these kinds of statistics that has
> to be accepted. The question is therefore are issues like these
> significant or would they skew the results. This has to be considered
> under a false-positive and a false-negative approach, depending on what
> we want to measure.
How are these numbers going to be useful? This can't be a measure of
"popularity."
Say, for example, the package "git-commit" is 11th most downloaded
package on MELPA. Is it really popular? Few people install it
explicitly. Only one package depends on it, which is Magit, a super
popular package. So git-commit is automatically installed as a
dependency when Magit is installed.
And also, packages that get more frequent update are downloaded more
than whose update less frequently. So its indeed possible for a less
popular but frequently updated package gets more downloaded than a
mature well written more popular package.
And also there are straight.el, Elpaca and Quelpa guys who don't use the
ELPA at all.
> If it is all about dopamine-boosting, I think a
> false-positive approach would be better ;^)
>
OK...
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(while t
(package-install 'eat)
(package-delete (cadr (assoc 'eat package-alist))))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
Soon: Eat is the most popular terminal emulator. xD
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-19 19:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-07-13 20:54 Distribution statistics for ELPA and EMMS Yoni Rabkin
2023-07-13 23:16 ` Eduardo Ochs
2023-07-14 7:03 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-07-14 14:02 ` Yoni Rabkin
2023-07-14 19:45 ` Adam Porter
2023-07-17 2:25 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-19 14:49 ` Adam Porter
2023-09-19 16:38 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-19 19:00 ` Akib Azmain Turja [this message]
2023-09-19 19:13 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-19 19:42 ` Yoni Rabkin
2023-09-19 22:06 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-07 16:46 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-07 17:10 ` Yoni Rabkin
2023-09-07 21:35 ` Akib Azmain Turja
2023-09-07 22:07 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-07 23:09 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-09-08 7:51 ` Philip Kaludercic
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