From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 07:35:26 +0100 Message-ID: <87fs1adutt.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <12da6bcb-1818-7fbe-12af-8d4607724332@gutov.dev> <87il6bt4z0.fsf@yahoo.com> <87y1f6s3eb.fsf@yahoo.com> <878r75sqby.fsf@yahoo.com> <878r74gnu9.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87sf5bom14.fsf@yahoo.com> <878r73g2m0.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87bkbzo31j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87pm0eedcb.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87zfzimdvc.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="482"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:D28DbEplyObFtrsSgXNbDnvCR2Y= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 13 14:37:30 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r2X85-000AUt-U1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 14:37:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r2X6y-000285-Lm; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 08:36:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r2QXp-0006Jz-IN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 01:35:38 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r2QXn-00015E-OL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 01:35:37 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r2QXl-0008SN-No for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 07:35:33 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 08:36:19 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312699 Archived-At: Po Lu wrote: >> cl-lib is included with Emacs. They have used a library >> that is shipped with Emacs because they thought that was >> the best way to solve whatever situation they had. >> Now those solutions are in place, working. >> >> This speaks very strongly in favor of cl-lib. > > It does not. It does and any anti cl-lib policy will just alienate people using it for now reason. Telling people it is better to hand-roll with basic Elisp than to use libraries is bad technology and a very unwise alienating move for no reason. Especially since there is nothing to do about it, the situation is the way it is. So even less reason. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal