From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.sources,gmane.emacs.help,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GNU ELPA announcements - e.g.: [GNU ELPA] Csv-Mode version 1.23 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2024 02:31:28 +0200 Message-ID: <87frw5gbz3.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9110"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org,emacs-devel@gnu.org To: gnu-emacs-sources@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:UvsgEkSqkt87mML4qgcZXWYGCf0= Original-X-From: gnu-emacs-sources-bounces+gnu-gnu-emacs-sources=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 01 02:40:28 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: gnu-gnu-emacs-sources@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rr5it-0002C6-Vv for gnu-gnu-emacs-sources@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2024 02:40:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rr5ih-0003tQ-Lz; Sun, 31 Mar 2024 20:40:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rr5ig-0003ss-0k for gnu-emacs-sources@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Mar 2024 20:40:14 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rr5iZ-00012R-Il for gnu-emacs-sources@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Mar 2024 20:40:13 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rr5iU-0001hv-LV for gnu-emacs-sources@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2024 02:40:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: gnu-emacs-sources@gnu.org Original-Followup-To: gmane.emacs.sources,gmane.emacs.help,gmane.emacs.devel Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=gnu-gnu-emacs-sources@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: gnu-emacs-sources@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: GNU Emacs source code postings and patches List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: gnu-emacs-sources-bounces+gnu-gnu-emacs-sources=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: gnu-emacs-sources-bounces+gnu-gnu-emacs-sources=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.sources:9081 gmane.emacs.help:146212 gmane.emacs.devel:317436 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: > If gnu-emacs-sources@gnu.org isn't deemed enough for some > reason Updates end up there automatically. The message you refer is this: From: ELPA update Subject: [GNU ELPA] Csv-Mode version 1.23 To: gnu-emacs-sources@gnu.org Cc: nil Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 05:02:32 -0500 (10 weeks, 6 days ago) I compared that to when my own ELPA package was released, since that would have implied that it was announced on emacs-devel, and it would have been interesting to hear if anyone said anything. However, taking a closer look - From: ELPA update Subject: [GNU ELPA] Wrap-Search version 4.12.10 To: gnu-emacs-sources@gnu.org Cc: Emanuel Berg <...> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2023 17:07:58 -0400 (25 weeks, 6 days ago) - we see that this one wasn't CC'd to emacs-devel but to me. So the automated posts to gnu-emacs-sources are CC to the maintainer which is why it ended up on emacs-devel. Package csv-mode is available. Status: Available from gnu -- [Install] Archive: gnu Version: 1.23 Commit: 63f02980978f19786bda354457ac5259b8f969a2 Summary: Major mode for editing comma/char separated values Requires: emacs-27.1, cl-lib-0.5 Website: https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/csv-mode.html Keywords: [convenience] Maintainer: Author: Francis J. Wright <...> > wouldn't info-gnu-emacs@gnu.org be more appropriate? ELPA packages are part of GNU Emacs, it says so in every .el package: This file is part of GNU Emacs. So ELPA source is on-topic on emacs-devel. I think new ELPA packages would very well be automatically announced there, there are several advantages to that. But not individual updates if that is what happened. PS. Csv-Mode and Wrap-Search? Yuk! Why are package names capitalized? Ugly! But it is also not how people use them or how they appear in source. PPS. GNU ELPA is refered to in three ways in this post. The correct and formal GNU ELPA, the informal ELPA (by me but also by the ELPA update gnu-emacs-sources poster), and, by the package manager, like this Archive: gnu I guess it is because all our repositories are ELPAs, but it still looks a bit comical to me. It is setup like that by default in `package-archives'. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal