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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324190 Archived-At: Philip Kaludercic writes: >> Would it be possible to describe a concrete example and state >> concretely what sort of problem this would aim to detect? > > Suhail gave the example of julia-mode. Specifically, for the 0.4 version of julia-mode the release on NonGNU ELPA differed from the 0.4 release that was served on MELPA Stable. >> How do those problems arise in practice? > > Because of differences in how releases are marked. ELPA checks if a > commit touches the "Version" header of an Elisp file, while MELPA > requires a Git tag to annotate the commit used to create the tarball. And in the case of julia-mode, for the 0.4 release, the commit that was tagged was (meaningfully) distinct from the commit that updated the "Version" header. Users who had enabled the melpa-stable archive and installed julia-mode version 0.4 experienced differing behavior based on whether they installed it from melpa-stable or nongnu, due to the mistake by the maintainer. Specifically, the release on nongnu was buggy since it preceded the commit where the regression was fixed. -- Suhail