From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
To: 73853@debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: bug#73853: 31.0.50; and-let* is useless
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2024 11:38:01 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87froszrs6.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a5f2xir8.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen via's message of "Fri, 18 Oct 2024 04:11:23 +0200")
Hello,
On Fri 18 Oct 2024 at 04:11am +02, Michael Heerdegen via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" wrote:
> `and-let*'s purpose is to express conditions, `when-let*'s is
> conditional evaluation. We have `and-let*' and `when-let*' for the
> same reason we have `and' and `when'. See prior discussions.
Right. The Lisp convention of using `when' for pure control flow and
`and' for returning values is a good aid to readability.
If we don't have and-let*, then we can't use this convention in the case
that we also want to bind variables.
So, I am very keen for and-let* to remain.
>> [ I think we have too many (if|when|and)-let(*) for our own good: we
>> should pick some winners and deprecate the other ones. ]
>
> AFAIR the non-star versions exist for backward compatibility only - so
> I would rather get rid of these. Parallel existence of these non-star
> vs. star versions should be a temporary state, it complicates the
> matter for an epsilon gain.
Yes. I would like us to move forward with removing the non-star ones.
I believe there was a previous attempt to deprecate them but it had to
be backed out. But maybe now is the time to try again.
--
Sean Whitton
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-10-19 3:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-10-17 16:27 bug#73853: 31.0.50; and-let* is useless Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-17 16:40 ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-18 2:11 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-18 23:42 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-19 3:50 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-21 7:07 ` Augusto Stoffel
2024-10-21 8:57 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-21 12:09 ` Sean Whitton
2024-10-19 3:38 ` Sean Whitton [this message]
2024-10-20 12:24 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-10-22 14:47 ` bug#73853: 31.0.50; Should and-let* become a synonym for when-let*? Sean Whitton
2024-10-22 15:24 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-23 14:05 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-10-24 8:51 ` Sean Whitton
2024-10-25 12:09 ` Sean Whitton
2024-10-30 9:42 ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-26 19:25 ` Jim Porter
2024-10-27 7:08 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-10-27 9:16 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-27 10:12 ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-27 11:24 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-27 11:32 ` Sean Whitton
2024-10-27 11:44 ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-27 12:28 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-27 13:10 ` Sean Whitton
2024-10-27 13:22 ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-28 9:39 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-27 14:41 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-28 13:58 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-28 14:32 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-27 20:00 ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-28 2:15 ` Howard Melman
2024-10-28 3:19 ` Sean Whitton
2024-10-29 15:21 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2024-10-29 16:36 ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-30 0:49 ` Sean Whitton
2024-10-30 12:55 ` Corwin Brust
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=87froszrs6.fsf@melete.silentflame.com \
--to=spwhitton@spwhitton.name \
--cc=73853@debbugs.gnu.org \
--cc=michael_heerdegen@web.de \
--cc=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.