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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:326127 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >>> Are we providing packages that include only Info manuals, which >>> document stuff that is not specific to Emacs? Because I don't see how >>> it would be a good idea to have this as an ELPA package. > > There is a precedent in the form of the [Ada reference > manual](http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/ada-ref-man.html). > FWIW, I'm not completely comfortable with this precedent. MELPA also has a package distributing the TeXinfo version of SICP: https://github.com/webframp/sicp-info. > Sadly Info is rarely used outside of Emacs FAICT, so there is a clear > tendency to consider Info manual as "manuals for use within Emacs". > >> It would also make sense to make the Emacs manuals available for easy >> download, as distributions like Debian do not include these by default. >> Whether we distribute these by piggy-backing on package.el or have a >> separate installer that could be distributed on ELPA is a different >> matter, but it would be useful to have an index of already existing >> manuals that would be interesting regardless of their relation to Emacs. > > A dedicated ELisp package that can download manuals and install them in > Info format (which may require converting from another format) would be > nice (or more generally in any format that Emacs can use, which may also > include HTML, nowadays, tho we still need extra work to make HTML > manuals as well integrated as Info manuals). I'd gladly implement the package, but right now the main manuals I know of are the ones listed here: https://www.gnu.org/manual/. Looking at the page, it turns out to be more than I had assumed, so perhaps it is a useful place to start from. > > Stefan