From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Pip Cet via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New "make benchmark" target Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2024 15:00:29 +0000 Message-ID: <87frm5z06l.fsf@protonmail.com> References: <87h679kftn.fsf@protonmail.com> <87zfkyfqia.fsf@protonmail.com> <875xnmf2qp.fsf@protonmail.com> <87y107g0xc.fsf@protonmail.com> <87frm51jkr.fsf@protonmail.com> <861pxpp88q.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Pip Cet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9061"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: acorallo@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, mattiase@acm.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 30 16:12:58 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tSHRx-00029b-T8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2024 16:12:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tSHRN-000532-MN; Mon, 30 Dec 2024 10:12:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tSHG8-00019P-7x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2024 10:00:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-10631.protonmail.ch ([79.135.106.31]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tSHG5-0006gk-Uq; Mon, 30 Dec 2024 10:00:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1735570837; x=1735830037; bh=CTRas6w4LCgfkN1JjuwHpBbJRLig1BtV/MT11lMshu4=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector:List-Unsubscribe:List-Unsubscribe-Post; b=GeJihQ+cXSr4S2A/9wxRior6ZvuIyMUKrp19aoojlAQuRy/OG5tn3375rCvXJ6w8I iOwGw3p1r9BUHPzbmPsp4dOsBcG1X72sPdokLG1VRIujf7pOdHDt7lPwV5PBqmfk0h XukfejtoB+y+w8644ud+2dK3mcuQddtEptlVEEV72caj0jc4OwQrd4EZ1hCjbDHAaL r2R4/LB8FtdSBakxTsxKWjkmnQRDljlVtxkYC9WqtC/PxHlcDGgHDtVIzvG+aMi+Sv t2ELSy9diU3ITkLjAFCFUju8PNYLo6XWRN06w1JqbeiDrfYrb0muS6ubed1yJWv+zF HQrRkIVepGdew== In-Reply-To: <861pxpp88q.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 112775352:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: af4db95a32d2ed3fa03b9c37d4eddcea3d07249c Received-SPF: pass client-ip=79.135.106.31; envelope-from=pipcet@protonmail.com; helo=mail-10631.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 30 Dec 2024 10:12:19 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:327438 Archived-At: "Eli Zaretskii" writes: >> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2024 11:45:36 +0000 >> From: Pip Cet >> Cc: Stefan Kangas , Eli Zaretskii >> , Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd , Paul Eggert >> , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora >> >> >> "Andrea Corallo" writes: >> >> > I'd personally drop the requirement of using ERT as a framework for >> > benchmarks, I'd just move elisp-benchmarks code in emacs core and add >> > the target. >> >> Well, as is obvious from the quoted paragraph, I disagree. I've stated >> why in the thread; if someone wants a summary, I can provide one > > Can you point to the message where you explained your rationale for > using ERT for this? I've scanned the discussion, but couldn't find > such a message. The best I can find is this: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-12/msg00595.html I can try to provide a more detailed/structured rationale if that's helpful. (Is it, though? Reusing someone's code in a way which reduces their user base and might cause them more work isn't something we should do lightly.) Pip