From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Insert Euro symbol Date: 03 May 2002 05:17:22 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87elgue23x.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> References: Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1020370715 21939 127.0.0.1 (2 May 2002 20:18:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?= , emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 173N2B-0005hk-00 for ; Thu, 02 May 2002 22:18:35 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 173N7Y-0003i6-00 for ; Thu, 02 May 2002 22:24:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 173N1f-0001Z7-00; Thu, 02 May 2002 16:18:03 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp01.fields.gol.com ([203.216.5.131]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 173N18-0001Qn-00; Thu, 02 May 2002 16:17:30 -0400 Original-Received: from tc-2-193.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.25.193] helo=tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp) by smtp01.fields.gol.com with esmtp (Magnetic Fields) id 173N15-0006bu-00; Fri, 03 May 2002 05:17:27 +0900 Original-Received: by tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5E6EA3050; Fri, 3 May 2002 05:17:22 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 39 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3511 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3511 Eli Zaretskii writes: > It doesn't sound like a good idea to have yet another, 3rd > way of producing non-ASCII characters. C-x 8 should be supported for > back compatibility, but do we really want to extend it? Yes. It's very convenient for people who don't use a latin-x input method normally but want to only insert a character or two. I use it all the time, and I'd be very annoyed if I had to fuck around with switching input methods just to type my occasional one character. I didn't even know that C-x 8 is defined to insert `latin-1' characters, I just though it was a handy package for inserting common characters from the non-ASCII latin set. To me having it be able to insert the euro sign sounds like a natural and useful extension. Of course, maybe there's a better _implementation_ (maybe along the lines that Stefan suggested), but please don't `deprecate' the functionality -- I really like it and use it often. > If you agree that C-x 8 is deprecated, C-x 9 is a step in the wrong > direction. I agree about this, though; it would be pretty silly to have `C-x 9' etc., because I don't think it's natural for anyone to think that way (even if it would be somehow convenient for the implementation, though I doubt even that's the case). You're right that if we simply think of C-x 8 as being `insert handy non-ASCII characters' (as indeed I do) then there's the problem of deciding `which characters?' especially when all of unicode becomes a possibility. But that's not a reason to get rid of the interface, I think, just a reason to be judicious when extending it. -Miles -- "Most attacks seem to take place at night, during a rainstorm, uphill, where four map sheets join." -- Anon. British Officer in WW I