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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Real constants
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 00:24:46 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87eka0k8k5.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f7ccd24b05071401162ed4d4b6@mail.gmail.com> (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:16:42 +0200")

>  - True constants can prevent some kinds of problems.

That seems to be the only real motivation (the others are more like "why not
have it"?).  I must say it's pretty vague.  AFAICT in 99.9% of the cases
constants have the following uses:

- catch programming errors.  This is similar to type annotations, modules,
  etc... and does not enable anything.  It's only used for software
  engineering purposes.
- allow the compiler to generate more efficient code.

I don't think Richard considers either of them as something
particularly important.

>  - At least one developer (Stefan) has said he has true constants
>    added to his local Emacs. I'd assume he finds them useful.

I like to experiment with primitives in order to get a better idea of what
the code out there looks like.  E.g. my local Emacs's strings are
non-mutable.  I.e. I like to try and add some constraint which seems to be
generally not broken, and see if/where it gets broken.  This is a general
technique to learn to understand some unknown piece of code.

Of course I also strongly believe in non-mutable objects, so I like the idea
of constants and non-mutable strings, but I know it's a waste of time to try
and include those things in elisp.


        Stefan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-07-15  4:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-13 13:59 Real constants Juanma Barranquero
2005-07-13 18:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-07-13 18:29   ` Juanma Barranquero
2005-07-14  2:25     ` Stefan Monnier
2005-07-14  8:05       ` Juanma Barranquero
2005-07-14  3:14     ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-07-14  8:16       ` Juanma Barranquero
2005-07-15  0:12         ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-07-15  0:53           ` Juanma Barranquero
2005-07-15  9:47             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2005-07-15 22:03               ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-07-16 10:10                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2005-07-15 18:10             ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-07-15  4:24         ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2005-07-18  6:05           ` Juanma Barranquero

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