From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Cadilhac Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: M-x zone and buffer with leading space. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:43618 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> I use an IM within emacs which hides its buffer by calling them with >> a leading space (Ex: `` *Netsoul Textbox*''). > > Your patch to zone is probably fine (tho I really have no idea), but I just > want to point out that buffers that are shown to the user should preferable > not start with a space. So maybe you should report also a bug to your IM > package's author. The point is that this IM has some kind of interface, which looks like: .-----------------------------.---------------. | User's picture | Contact list: | | User name | * Sylvia | | | * Tom | | Hi ! | * Pierre | | Hello. | * Dummy | | foo ? | * bar | | baz. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------------------------| | | Textbox. | | | | | | | | `-----------------------------°---------------' This interface is independent from your current window configuration and can be shown/hidden everywhere. It uses window-configuration functions to allow this. In order to not mess up the whole thing and not bother the user with a huge buffer list, all these buffers are hidden using the leading space technique. I'm doing the same with jabber buffers: all chat buffers start with a space, and I've made up some functions to list them. Is it a misuse of this technique ? -- Michael Cadilhac, a.k.a. 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