From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is OpenUsability something for Emacs? Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:30:14 -0400 Message-ID: <87ejvacaqx.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1156177746 13570 80.91.229.2 (21 Aug 2006 16:29:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 21 18:29:04 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFCe7-0004kS-EY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:29:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFCe6-0007cm-Rv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:29:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GFCdt-0007bC-L6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:28:49 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GFCds-0007aC-U0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:28:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFCds-0007a1-QO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:28:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [18.19.1.138] (helo=cyd) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFClI-0001dp-Ql for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:36:28 -0400 Original-Received: by cyd (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C89474E2C2; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: "Drew Adams" In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:35:05 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:58650 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: > > RS> One can't expect users to know about that command. In order for > > RS> that to be the solution to the no-mouse problem, something on the > > RS> screen needs to say how to use it. > > > > Usability is about using things, not about learning to use > > things. Would you like to have every possible Emacs keybinding shown > > on the screen? > > When you start up Emacs, it does display some basic keybindings, and > tells you how to get help. > > Perhaps also let the start-up screen explictly mention `C-h b'? E.g., > > `C-h b' shows you all available key bindings in any buffer. I don't think `C-h b' is useful for new users; it overwhelms with too much information. The current startup screen seems sufficient.