From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Multi-tty design (Re: Reordering etc/NEWS) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 00:35:32 +0200 Message-ID: <87ejljf2yz.fsf@ambire.localdomain> References: <85d5144p78.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <200705131822.l4DIMtXt019128@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <85abw8o51q.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <464835DE.3020007@lorentey.hu> <86y7jrr8rx.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <86lkfrr3s6.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <86d513r2i1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <861whjr097.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <200705141648.l4EGmmvW007675@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <85bqgngvos.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <200705141819.l4EIJLPr009832@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <85ps53fcm0.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <200705142004.l4EK4DHg012188@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <85lkfrf91x.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <200705142102.l4EL2pHK013655@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <858xbrf64t.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <200705142213.l4EMDBlm015577@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1179182176 29616 80.91.229.12 (14 May 2007 22:36:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Andreas Schwab , Karoly Lorentey , joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dan Nicolaescu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 15 00:36:15 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hnj9K-0004pX-Li for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 00:36:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HnjH8-0002ha-AI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 18:44:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HnjH4-0002hL-Sc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 18:44:14 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HnjH3-0002dN-AS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 18:44:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HnjH3-0002dK-5I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 18:44:13 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp-out1.libero.it ([212.52.84.41]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Hnj9D-00082K-Sa; Mon, 14 May 2007 18:36:08 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (172.31.0.51) by smtp-out1.libero.it (7.3.120) id 4611FD180285448B; Tue, 15 May 2007 00:35:14 +0200 X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Original-Received: from smtp-out2.libero.it ([172.31.0.38]) by localhost (asav-out10.libero.it [192.168.32.38]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L7sJDA0tkttN; Tue, 15 May 2007 00:35:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ambire.localdomain (151.21.32.141) by smtp-out2.libero.it (7.3.120) id 4611FD38039C8593; Tue, 15 May 2007 00:35:14 +0200 Original-Received: from ttn by ambire.localdomain with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hnj8e-0006Xv-9D; Tue, 15 May 2007 00:35:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <200705142213.l4EMDBlm015577@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Mon\, 14 May 2007 15\:13\:11 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:71078 Archived-At: () Dan Nicolaescu () Mon, 14 May 2007 15:13:11 -0700 > So you propose to tackle the problem by destroying multi-tty > capability, making everything rely on a single environment for all > terminals. I have proposed no such things. I only asked for a change to be reverted because it made things strictly worse than before. it sounds like what happened was an incomplete, unlogged bugfix. the right thing to do is to complete the bugfix and log it (all parts). if completing the bugfix requires others' expertise, the next best thing is to clearly log what was done to help others finish the job. (the sooner the better.) e.g., this is what happened w/ my change to gnus. i fixed a long-standing buglet, but only partially (other use-cases broke). it was Katsumi Yamaoka who completed the process. thi