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From: Bastien <bzg@altern.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Cc: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: New keybinding suggestion: C-x _ for `shrink-window'
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 05:00:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ejexwf4m.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BNELLINCGFJLDJIKDGACGEKLCEAA.drew.adams@oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:09:58 -0800")

"Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>> I tried to implement Drew suggestions into one single function.
>> See my comments below.  Any feedback is very welcome.
>
> Thanks for working some more on this. I didn't expect that you would
> implement most of what I suggested - they were just some ideas that occurred
> to me. Anyway, here is some more feedback to think about:

Please check the latest window-edit.el here:

  http://www.cognition.ens.fr/~guerry/u/window-edit.el

Window shrinking/enlarging is okay.  

Borders moving might be somewhat inconsistent, but I could find any easy
way to predict the changes made by `shrink-window' and `enlarge-window'
in all possible window configurations.  Anyway, this should be accurate
in 95% of the real-life cases, and I do agree that the resize-mode will
be the most useful anyway.

> 1. When I use `?', I get a new frame *window-edit help* (I use non-nil
> `pop-up-frames'). If I click mouse-1 in that frame, then the frame
> disappears. That's no good. I need to be able to go to the help frame, move
> around, select text, etc.

I'm not sure about this.  The help window is now quite big, and people
using window-edit with a lot of windows might prefer not to loose their
configuration just by displaying the help window.

Hitting `?' once will first show a small help message, depending on 
the mode you're on.  Then hitting `?' again will display the window 
help.

> 2. When help is shown, the window configuration should be left as is, if
> `pop-up-frames' is non-nil. That is, there is no need to change it to a
> single window.

Fixed.

> 3. Need more help in the help window. For instance, what do the arrows do,
> by default? What does the prefix arg do?

I tried to improve this.

> 4. Window resizing with arrows works fine. I see problems with border
> movement, however:

Most of the bugs should be fixed now.

> f. Whenever an arrow key cannot move a border for some reason, the user
> should get feedback explaining why. For instance, in a window that is
> full-frame height, you cannot move a border up or down, but there is no
> message.

Fixed.  Let me know what you think.

> g. There is still the problem that moving a border can make windows
> disappear because they get too small. To me, that's not the right behavior.
> They should respect `window-min-width' and `window-min-height' - you should
> get a "can't move..." message if the requested movement tries to undercut
> these limits.

Fixed.

> 7. The binding of `echo-keystrokes' is not working. If I move the focus to
> another window-manager window (e.g. this mail message, outside Emacs), then
> I see a long string of keystrokes filling the echo area. Maybe move the
> binding higher up?

I already set (echo-keystrokes 0) - what can I do?

> 8. +/- should go directly from 1 to -1, skipping 0, since 0 is a no-op for
> resizing and border movement.

Fixed.

> 9. The prompt is still not general enough, IMO. 

Please comment the new prompt.

> 10. Change "negate argument" to "negate increment". Change ARG everywhere to
> "INCREMENT", for clarity. And put ~ next to +/- in the help and the doc
> string, so it's clearer that they all apply to the increment.

Done.

> 11. Let the arrows resize instead of move borders, by default. 

Done.

> 12. Cursor in right window, `S-down' - no message. Instead, cursor moves to
> bottom-left window. Another `S-down' - still no message - and no more cursor
> movement.

Fixed.

> However, you might want to let `C-b', `C-f', `C-p', and `C-n' move
> point to enable control over `S-<arrow>'.

Added.

> It's simple:
>
> (case e
>   (left (if...)
>   (right (if...)
>   (up (if...)
>   (down (if...))

Done.

> `mouse-1' should set point, in whatever window.

Not yet done.  I will do this if the new window-edit.el if I have more
feedback on window-edit.el, I need to be sure this is going somewhere.

Thanks,

-- 
Bastien

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-11-11  5:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-28 10:39 New keybinding suggestion: C-x _ for `shrink-window' Bastien
2007-10-28 10:41 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-10-28 12:06   ` Bastien
2007-10-28 11:21     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-10-28 14:40       ` Bastien
2007-10-28 20:20         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-10-28 21:47           ` Bastien
2007-10-28 21:47           ` Bastien
2007-10-28 22:05             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-10-29  0:03             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-10-29  8:43               ` Bastien
2007-10-29  0:11 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-29 13:14   ` Bastien
2007-10-31 11:57   ` Bastien
2007-10-31 11:58   ` Bastien
2007-10-31 15:54     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-31 16:18       ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-31 17:31         ` Bastien
2007-10-31 23:58         ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-01  0:26           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-01  1:14             ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-11-01  1:28               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-01  1:46                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-11-01  2:17                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-01  3:41               ` Bastien
2007-11-01  1:13           ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-11-01 19:04             ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-03 21:56           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-11-04  1:41             ` Andreas Schwab
2007-11-04  2:49               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-11-04 19:56             ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-31 16:20       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-10-31 23:58       ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-01 16:54         ` Drew Adams
2007-11-01 22:01           ` Drew Adams
2007-11-01 22:27             ` David Kastrup
2007-11-01 23:05               ` Drew Adams
2007-11-02 14:28           ` Bastien
2007-11-02 14:28             ` Drew Adams
2007-11-03  0:20               ` Bastien
2007-11-03  3:58             ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-03  4:14               ` Miles Bader
2007-11-03  5:46                 ` Bastien
2007-11-03  5:35                   ` Miles Bader
2007-11-03 14:11                     ` Bastien
2007-11-03 15:15                   ` Drew Adams
2007-11-03 16:43                     ` Bastien
2007-11-03 16:43                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-04  0:11                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-05  3:30                   ` Bastien
2007-11-05  7:37                     ` Drew Adams
2007-11-05 11:06                       ` Bastien
2007-11-08 15:32                       ` Bastien
2007-11-10  1:09                         ` Drew Adams
2007-11-10  1:11                           ` Drew Adams
2007-11-11  5:00                           ` Bastien [this message]
2007-11-11  8:42                             ` Drew Adams
2007-11-11 17:17                               ` Bastien
2007-11-11 17:26                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-11 23:54                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-12  0:07                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-11-12  3:20                                       ` Bastien
2007-11-12  2:55                                         ` Drew Adams
2007-11-12  4:18                                           ` Bastien
2007-11-12 11:47                                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-12 13:47                                             ` Bastien
2007-11-12 19:03                                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-12 21:20                                                 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-12 21:31                                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-12 22:09                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-12 22:51                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-11-14  0:26                                                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-16 23:49                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-11-17  1:36                                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-17  9:09                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-11-17 15:44                                                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-17 17:28                                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-11-12 21:41                                                 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-12 22:15                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-13 13:40                                                 ` Bastien
2007-11-13 17:51                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-11-14  0:58                                                     ` Bastien
2007-11-14  2:48                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-14  8:45                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-11-13 23:52                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-14  1:05                                                     ` Bastien
2007-11-12 17:18                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-12 17:28                                         ` Drew Adams
2007-11-11 14:02                             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-11 17:11                               ` Bastien
2007-11-11 19:33                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-12  3:19                               ` Bastien
2007-11-12 17:18                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-13 13:25                                   ` Bastien
2007-11-13 18:49                                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-14  0:27                                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-14 14:41                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-14  1:14                                       ` Bastien
2007-11-14  1:56                                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-15 20:52                                           ` Bastien
2007-11-15 20:57                                             ` Bastien
     [not found]                                             ` <473CBBA7.8090507@gmail.com>
2007-11-16 12:39                                               ` Bastien
2007-11-14 17:53                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-14 18:12                                           ` Bastien
     [not found]                                             ` <473B7CDD.4040401@gmail.com>
2007-11-15 21:05                                               ` Bastien
2007-11-15 21:38                                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-15 22:27                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-16 12:41                                                     ` Bastien
2007-11-16 21:52                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-17  0:10                                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-17  1:45                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-17  9:28                                                             ` martin rudalics
2007-11-17 11:58                                                               ` Bastien
2007-11-17  2:17                                                         ` Bastien
2007-11-17  9:09                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-11-17 12:08                                                             ` Bastien
2007-11-17 17:28                                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-11-18  0:10                                                                 ` Bastien
2007-11-19  1:20                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-11-19  2:45                                                                     ` Bastien
2007-11-19  6:48                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-11-17 15:59                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-17 16:34                                                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-17 16:38                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-17 17:25                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-17 23:52                                                                   ` Bastien
2007-11-17 23:51                                                               ` Bastien
2007-11-18  0:16                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-18  2:16                                                                   ` Bastien
2007-11-18  2:31                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-18 12:04                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-19  2:23                                                                         ` Bastien
2007-11-14 23:09                                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-14 23:46                                           ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-15  0:21                                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-15  1:08                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-15  8:29                                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-16  1:16                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-16 12:58                                                   ` Bastien
2007-11-16 15:47                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-16 17:13                                                       ` Bastien
2007-11-16 18:17                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-16 19:19                                                           ` Bastien
2007-11-16 21:48                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-17  2:26                                                               ` Bastien
2007-11-17  4:22                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-17 11:54                                                                   ` Bastien
2007-11-18  3:09                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-19  2:30                                                                       ` Bastien
2007-11-15 13:07                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-15 13:07                                             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                         ` <E1Ir5H0-0002Ty-Jz@fencepost.gnu.org>
2007-11-11 17:10                           ` Bastien
2007-11-11 23:54                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-12  3:33                               ` Bastien
2007-11-12 17:18                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-13 13:27                                   ` Bastien
2007-11-11 23:54                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-12  3:36                               ` Bastien
2007-11-18 22:46                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-19  2:34                                   ` Bastien
2007-11-02 16:51       ` Sascha Wilde
2007-10-31 23:58     ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-01  6:30       ` David Kastrup

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