From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.version-control.bazaar-ng.general,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs repository benchmark: bzr and git Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:05:02 +0900 Message-ID: <87ej9tqm0x.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <200803290100.m2T10Mgm007655@localhost.localdomain> <85iqz5rgvw.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <86y781wpdt.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <1w5tbi93.fsf@telefonica.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206824169 24746 80.91.229.12 (29 Mar 2008 20:56:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bazaar@lists.canonical.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: bazaar-bounces@lists.canonical.com Sat Mar 29 21:56:39 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvbg-bazaar-ng@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from chlorine.canonical.com ([91.189.94.204]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jfi6Q-0003iR-Fz for gcvbg-bazaar-ng@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:56:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=chlorine.canonical.com) by chlorine.canonical.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jfi5n-0007eJ-I9; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:55:59 +0000 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]) by chlorine.canonical.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jfi5k-0007dv-QB for bazaar@lists.canonical.com; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:55:57 +0000 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851F77FFC; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 05:55:54 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B89D61A29F3; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:05:02 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <1w5tbi93.fsf@telefonica.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" 2785829fe37c XEmacs Lucid X-BeenThere: bazaar@lists.canonical.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: bazaar discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bazaar-bounces@lists.canonical.com Errors-To: bazaar-bounces@lists.canonical.com Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.version-control.bazaar-ng.general:39532 gmane.emacs.devel:93836 Archived-At: Randall Schwartz writes: > > The GNU Project's contribution was a legally enforcable license > > to ensure share-and-share-alike for authors who chose to use the > > legal system to enforce their politics. This was definitely an > > important contribution at the time, but it wasn't the thing that > > "started free software". I basically agree, but one quibble. My understanding is that a second, equally important, contribution was the very idea of a free software distribution (ie, public release of a large suite of free software, preferably a full operating system). I'm fairly sure that the BSD NET/1 release, and the proposal to greatly expand the distribution as NET/2, was triggered by hearing about GNU. Sort of a "hey, that's it! That's what we've wanted to do all along!" =D3scar Fuentes replies: > Free Software, ("Free" in the GNU sense), is nothing without a > legally enforceable license that protects its freedom. Maybe you > are talking about what later was known as Open Source? (BSD > license, etc). Those *are* legally enforceable licenses that protect the licensed software's freedom. Every line of the covered work is fully free, in perpetuity, as long as a single copy under that license is publicly available. Second, please be careful to distinguish between "free software" as software (which is what Randall was talking about, and is essentially identical to open source software as defined in the Open Source Definition), and the "Free Software Movement", which is a political movement. Any software licensed under a free software license is free software, regardless of the political opinions of the licensor. BTW, the Open Source movement is quite hospitable to people whose primary goal is liberty (eg, the "Quaker faction"). You just have to believe in liberty enough that you can cooperate happily with the "economists" who see liberty as instrumental to productivity, rather than the other way around.