From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Debian's idiosyncratic complexification of Emacs Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:46:50 +0900 Message-ID: <87ej5srj7p.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87skug6tq5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <487A783B.7060603@gmail.com> <20080713232635.GD1076@muc.de> <85od51id2t.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20080714204242.GH6711@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20080714223059.GG3445@muc.de> <8763r858dx.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <85ej5vbpzm.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87iqv5kiy5.fsf@anzu.internal.golden-gryphon.com> <87iqv5wogs.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bq0xihy5.fsf@anzu.internal.golden-gryphon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216283575 23744 80.91.229.12 (17 Jul 2008 08:32:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Manoj Srivastava Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 17 10:33:43 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KJOvf-0008MN-S8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:33:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37522 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KJOun-0002nP-6m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:32:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KJOui-0002nI-3p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:32:36 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KJOuf-0002n5-Gr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:32:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=44688 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KJOuf-0002n2-DG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:32:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:59853) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KJOuf-0007NU-0S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:32:33 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383AD800E; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:32:31 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 113D71A25C3; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:46:50 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87bq0xihy5.fsf@anzu.internal.golden-gryphon.com> X-Mailer: VM ?bug? under XEmacs 21.5.21 (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100872 Archived-At: Manoj Srivastava writes: > > IOW, you've specified the problem incorrectly, at least if you want to > > serve the traditionalists satisfactorily. > > Pardon me, I do think I know the problem that Debian was trying > to solve when they implemented this mechanism. My apologies. I do know who you (Manoj) are, and was addressing you as a representative of the designers of the DEP. I'm saying that to serve this particular set of users, the designers omitted an important requirement. > Sure. I am just puzzled as to why I am not experiencing _any_ of > these issues. If I could reproduce some of the issues, perhaps I can do > my bit to solve the problem for other folks too. Well, since nobody has actually been able to describe a problem, how would you know? I bet you *have* experienced them, and fixed them. David and I are just more devious at finding ways to go wrong! Anyway, after I clean up some other stuff and get moved back to Japan, I have an XEmacs/distro integration project I'll be working on. That will be a good time for me to revisit this thread.