From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul R Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:33:04 +0200 Message-ID: <87ej4atczj.fsf@gmail.com> References: <48A740CB.4050404@emf.net> <20080816213508.GA8530@muc.de> <87hc9ka8eg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080817073124.GA1294@muc.de> <87ljyv5gy5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818101802.GA2615@muc.de> <87bpzqqk7b.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818210927.GD2615@muc.de> <87wsidnxqp.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ljytkwpk.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <878wusz0v9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87vdxp27z6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87prnxe5hc.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <873aktck5d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k5e5dsvq.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <48B44802.1080302@emf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219869282 20297 80.91.229.12 (27 Aug 2008 20:34:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com, Thomas Lord , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 27 22:35:36 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KYRjm-0002Oy-C6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:35:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33872 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KYRio-0000P7-2L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:34:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KYRhY-00083Z-C5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:33:12 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KYRhX-00082z-9J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:33:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40696 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KYRhW-00082p-IT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:33:10 -0400 Original-Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.188]:38540) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KYRhW-0004o0-0G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:33:10 -0400 Original-Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 18so26673fkq.10 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:33:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:to:cc:subject:references:from :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=tJEQ1oxTf/xI36Kc3YQUgNSisp9xTdrwurqslGkrmF4=; b=xrjXHoWrdfK5qbdS6NhZfiXK9elNrabjA0cHmIbd1ATOUJ29hDB4VjApyiQxow8g/F ixmPlSNpUZfZbjq7UyCrvQNfwXFRHeGDmGHylzZPlQCt0TI9lD3VJHmA/TncinGltETX 7G4voiEklYjHQLFI/DpAlZu9WeX1b+A6OypAM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=to:cc:subject:references:from:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=Z8GSOvXiPLFIZCFGS/a5wKEH/MBc4hG4WXRx9+rta7D1qaABBwOTJvFKEK478eojp8 cFuQYEtRcabOVsUdbtH3Tx5oj5f4haiH2zBJrG1xC61goG6nGgLrSrHwo79ADXbZZEyO B/27NPRGrhS2kh7+4aPoE9ajZ7yflyr8V8Z7E= Original-Received: by 10.180.238.17 with SMTP id l17mr454174bkh.65.1219869188266; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ubuT42 ( [82.242.132.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p9sm75018fkb.5.2008.08.27.13.33.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:33:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Wed\, 27 Aug 2008 14\:54\:18 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103038 Archived-At: On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:54:18 -0400, "Richard M. Stallman" said: Thomas> In other words: the incentive to create the non-free Thomas> XRefractory comes, in part, from the ban on a dynamic loader. RMS> Your reasoning is confused, and the conclusion makes no sense. My RMS> decision remains unchanged. Thomas reasoning is : 1- There is NO ROOM for proprietary software when free software exists and meet all the users technical requirements. IOW, nowaday proprietary software only survives when it proves clear technical superiority over free software (or when it locks users with file formats, but that's not the point here) 2- Banning technical facilities like DLL from free software is likely to leave a clear advantage to proprietary software that use those facilities to provide the best technical solution. Conclusion : banning DLL from emacs is likely to make it technicaly inferior than alternatives, thus preventing users from using it, thus reducing the global freedom of the community. -- Paul