From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:32:49 +0900 Message-ID: <87eiudewtq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <23521879.post@talk.nabble.com> <7b501d5c0905131659r1d79ec56s5a59f76e4713edf9@mail.gmail.com> <23532135.post@talk.nabble.com> <87tz3odq3l.fsf@iki.fi> <23538683.post@talk.nabble.com> <87eiuru24b.fsf@iki.fi> <39370.130.55.118.19.1242397867.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> <87eiue83i7.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87my92dmdt.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243218499 17980 80.91.229.12 (25 May 2009 02:28:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 02:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Leo' , Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 25 04:28:11 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M8Pv6-0008Ay-12 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 04:28:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37533 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8Pv4-0007xf-Qz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:28:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8Puz-0007ui-C9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:28:01 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8Puu-0007nb-Ga for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:28:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57600 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8Puu-0007nY-DP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:27:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:35877) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Put-0004CK-Uj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:27:56 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2DA8215; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:27:51 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B56701A25D9; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:32:49 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87my92dmdt.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" 83e35df20028+ XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111060 Archived-At: Chong Yidong writes: > This was done in July 2008, and there were fairly extensive discussions > on this list then, and on several occasions afterwards. Why have prereleases then, if it's "too late" for feedback from users who are not willing to bleed on the edge, and who don't necessarily read emacs-devel with their morning coffee? You should also consider that for this particular default, positive responses will come quickly from those who use long lines a lot, while they are unlikely to notice much aggravation in environments where visual motion is likely to be inappropriate, because those environment typically strongly discourage long lines anyway. Thus the complaints are likely to be relatively late and few---and for that very reason should be given more weight than the positive responses.