From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: ams@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Sending attachments
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:52:19 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87eisjjrsc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1MQfUg-0005pF-Gr@fencepost.gnu.org>
Richard Stallman writes:
> There are two reasons. First, its primary source is maintained
> outside of Emacs.
I don't see how that's a reason not to use the perfectly good Message
mode that is a part of Emacs. If you can't persuade them to go along
with your refactorings, you still will be starting from a much more
featureful MUA, one which is well-debugged and highly conformant.
> Another problem is that a lot of the code is ugly and hard to
> understand. While this CAN happen to any code, I think the
> separate maintenance of Gnus encourages it, since it discourages
> other people than the Gnus developers from working on the code at
> all.
That's certainly not my experience. I'd say about half of the hackers
closest to me over the last 10 years have been at least occasional
contributors to Gnus. And they've been really good citizens in
general even though their main interests are rather different from
"core" Emacs developers.
It seems to me that both Gnus and Emacs would benefit from you
pow-wowing with Miles Bader and anybody else who works on Gnus-Emacs
integration, and make the points about refactoring and maintainability
to them. Ask them to represent your needs (ie, only the basic
features, more emphasis on refactoring and maintainability in Message
mode). It's worth trying to avoid the duplication, for Message mode,
at least.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-07-14 13:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-07-01 19:47 Sending attachments Richard Stallman
2009-07-01 19:58 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-05 0:06 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05 21:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 3:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-11 15:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 15:04 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 15:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-12 10:11 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-13 12:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14 10:44 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-14 13:10 ` Leo
2009-07-14 13:52 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2009-07-15 16:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-15 18:18 ` Frank Schmitt
2009-07-16 4:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-16 5:19 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-16 14:30 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-15 18:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16 16:17 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16 18:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-17 12:20 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-19 0:55 ` Mike Kupfer
2009-07-16 1:10 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16 5:30 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-19 4:37 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16 14:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-17 13:30 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-17 18:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-07-18 17:11 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-18 19:15 ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el (was: Sending attachments) Reiner Steib
2009-07-19 4:36 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19 5:30 ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el Stefan Monnier
2009-07-19 23:21 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-20 18:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-20 18:26 ` Bastien
2009-07-20 18:45 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-21 14:41 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19 18:10 ` rfc2047.el dependencies on mm-util.el (was: Sending attachments) Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-19 23:22 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-22 21:57 ` Kevin Ryde
2009-07-18 17:11 ` Sending attachments Richard Stallman
2009-07-14 16:17 ` Jonathan Rockway
2009-07-14 18:33 ` Bastien
2009-07-14 18:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16 1:11 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-16 1:12 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05 22:39 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-06 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 9:43 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-01 23:34 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-02 19:21 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-03 2:37 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-03 7:44 ` message-mode / mail-mode (was: Sending attachments) Teemu Likonen
2009-07-03 8:43 ` message-mode / mail-mode Miles Bader
2009-07-03 8:55 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-03 9:07 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-05 21:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 6:45 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-11 10:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-02 1:01 ` Sending attachments Robert J. Chassell
2009-07-02 13:39 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-02 14:33 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-02 16:40 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-03 22:52 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-04 14:39 ` Robert J. Chassell
2009-07-04 15:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-02 17:26 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-03 13:47 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-03 14:21 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-05 21:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-06 16:07 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-07 10:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 12:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-08 0:16 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-08 9:46 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-08 18:34 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-08 20:36 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-09 11:53 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-08 11:41 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-08 13:41 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-08 14:16 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-08 14:27 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-08 14:40 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-08 15:09 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-09 2:47 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-09 11:54 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-09 20:43 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-10 6:39 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10 9:02 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-10 11:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-10 11:55 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-11 18:30 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10 12:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-11 18:29 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10 9:17 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-08 19:07 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-09 11:54 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-09 20:47 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-08 19:08 ` Reiner Steib
2009-07-07 12:48 ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-06 16:16 ` Glenn Morris
2009-07-07 10:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-03 17:37 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-03 22:52 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-04 15:11 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-07-04 15:54 ` Leo
2009-07-05 14:47 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07 1:12 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-07 3:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07 4:54 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-07 19:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-11 18:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-11 20:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07 9:43 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-07 10:11 ` Richard Riley
2009-07-07 13:53 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-07 10:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-07 13:49 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-08 0:16 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-10 13:29 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-11 19:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-15 21:51 ` Reducing Gnus dependencies in message.el (was: Sending attachments) Reiner Steib
2009-07-03 14:21 ` Sending attachments Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-04 15:33 ` Chad Brown
2009-07-04 15:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-04 17:08 ` Chad Brown
2009-07-05 10:18 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05 1:40 ` Daniel Pittman
2009-07-05 2:39 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-05 3:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05 3:44 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-05 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05 20:44 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 3:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06 3:50 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 4:54 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 20:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06 22:35 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-07 0:59 ` Kenichi Handa
2009-07-07 9:43 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-08 0:16 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 15:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-06 6:37 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-06 7:47 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 20:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-06 14:13 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-07 5:57 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-07-06 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-11 19:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-11 19:41 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-12 3:05 ` Leo
2009-07-12 3:10 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13 12:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-15 9:35 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-07-15 11:44 ` Richard Riley
2009-07-15 14:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-05 22:56 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-06 20:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-07-05 8:01 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-07-05 8:30 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-06 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-05 20:05 ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2009-07-05 20:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
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