From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Native scrollbars? Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:26:16 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121105 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jan Djärv writes: > David Kastrup skrev: >> Jan Djärv writes: >> >>> David Kastrup skrev: >>> >>>> Toolkit native scrollbars are the default with Emacs. They don't annoy >>>> a lot of users apparently. Probably also because the geek demographic >>>> of Emacs is different from that of XEmacs. >>>> >>> IMHO, the XEmacs Lucid scroll bars look much better than Emacs native >>> scrollbars. I think that may be a factor also. >> >> I was of the opinion that both used the same code (Lucid), so it would >> probably just be a matter of the default settings. >> >> Personally, I use >> >> (setq-default scroll-bar-width 15) >> > > I don't think I have any settings that affects this. I attach a screen > shot of lucid scroll bars in XEmacs (left) and Emacs (right). The > difference is apparent. It could possibly be fixed by some X resource > setting, I haven't tried. > > Anyway, the Emacs native scroll bar isn't based on Lucid, and looks > much worse. Well, mine looks like --=-=-= Content-Type: image/png Content-Disposition: inline; filename=Screenshot-1.png Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAE8AAADTBAMAAAAyvlONAAAAAXNSR0IArs4c6QAAADBQTFRFAgIA BAgxHCVpUiUkNy0rRVSVWldKlVE9v3lZrY5mgZmrxcC678d2ltX05OTg+/35gmCwLQAAAAFiS0dE AIgFHUgAAAAJcEhZcwAACxMAAAsTAQCanBgAAAAHdElNRQfaAg0OFBDOXPRvAAAEAUlEQVRo3u3Z wWsbRxQH4FFY+xAI7slQg8D/QKlsufV1QRsdCg2mx0CCoOpg+6S2BumoFJNsazAlKca6Gx10sHMw NYkgsbEh5NZDz91iAgnFrA09xKaLtm9md6Vde2f2V3BStfgdhHb1MTNvZt6ON2F1iqXeGBMxNub3 449jPx4nTAXPxRUcVvgYhXMgPJsUsLGcCf+cVLZ4sBWHh+qu93N3YvA7New9YhODvfvNL5pknhRG nOj7tA76Z7V89PULLXxSyCMt0iBvI2M8q+U2Y1mr4e4gE4qH6ulJ1vVhsDLZS3iKrnUPhX4T7Drc 4f8n2EChfektNt7PGJN1LWEjFSbrmuADBUzWtXZ64nUtoa2ax1hd6yc8Vte6tU7UtQYm61rzDE/W NUERBnJedym2kSXsUGwMPWzzKga5ZSGQc9OAWrQoIMgMjo2RXe+0MVjutA1ojNSzgbXIKxg0yii0 TLTrKrQybBSHHIbVy4XoWpv/ImQgrLwDWL5kWEXhBg4NDLapFiD4MwpVLXoFxnIO0jWvjH4Vhx3a FVQKwWWi6/18smtTZq2Hp+YHssVM2ByvsE4lG3rXjk8geHqDxrhI+ywLvs2LrGFYRSFtH2iMCJRZ 87YCxpdQziNPh4lNIVam3Waj6V2f32acGRCsijMOgRY96yFoinMBaxHtusw5lAznnFsYrGJdc8vU zKM3HU+m/BMCjTJfgCDnLQwutFqtVHhWYHcIvqBP8Z21VHB3nH/ie1MzX44E+1EJv3b8Hu3KLW/K 8aadEy0UY3T8puON+BrYnNgMkmk6srhammQ+gqDv71wDIQ0zgPoxPheZhFCXtTfFaQYDqJ/HNZbb iqBYmfAP9uz9GL4CZEPbli8+V/Cfw3uOPBHEgtYIrrivMuFbxtZt9/6vGvjXc3lCTLLvV96Mbmhg WJJz7P7q/nzqGE/NCYJNlg9OCLa8ureeCmkP0vHR3RFj7P44yT5d3UvNmk4rL9dPhrr+UAGpoGRp 9+G8AgqQgLZijALcS8CV1+vbUIu2232FjPGl/YO7jWSds+2CoZzH3tOd6x0n7Fqxe+TKeKJIP9bD oSsFFkQ27GbF4xA+czPi96GBy5vu0c3/BjyyfnufcI0vnhujvBN9Vvpw2bp5Dso70af5rqfn4K77 +nMk6zcWt+4i0F2zPnMhOMw7HC5XFgvkkSJv6eGgwSGFS5cO0a7rEHzQAKEd+7fmLIglI/4XAIX1 K6iHLgCLsyRvAcVVFHELKFfxel2a6WY/KeSLeMnKflJYocwIk6XepmHPJG8UlLA4uCrRVY31f0my 6LoUXMzWWLH/U9IV+18iOIjIzYaXSih/LRXr9eKFuAgp6ilSAb+9eFML61HQde1vI5whaKXkc1IA AAAASUVORK5CYII= --=-=-= and that's without-toolkit-scroll-bars. So I was mistaken about this using the Lucid code. Incidentally, the scroll bar width of the minibuffer appears unaffected from my settings, and this might be a bug. My screen might look a bit prettier otherwise. So now I don't think it is an option to compile with GTK+ overall while using Lucid scrollbars. Sorry for the confusion. I'm fine with the resulting ugliness in the Emacs-native scrollbars: using Gtk+ for the rest certainly gives a much nicer appearance overall than using either Athena Widgets or Lucid for everything. -- David Kastrup --=-=-=--