From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: more on anything.el inclusion Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 10:55:20 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87eifn42on.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87y6dydn6q.fsf@tux.homenetwork> <87iq509yji.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87mxucxt8w.fsf@tux.homenetwork> <87tyok8guu.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87hbkkxow6.fsf@tux.homenetwork> <87pqz721fd.fsf@tux.homenetwork> <87hbkjhc8p.fsf@tux.homenetwork> <87iq4z5oj8.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878w5v2sqd.fsf@tux.homenetwork> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1277999759 7290 80.91.229.12 (1 Jul 2010 15:55:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 15:55:59 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 01 17:55:55 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUM7F-0002cf-Fb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 17:55:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40486 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OUM7E-0003PZ-9k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:55:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=56608 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OUM6z-0003LN-Jd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:55:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUM6y-0004np-2I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:55:37 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:51651) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUM6x-0004nP-NF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:55:36 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUM6r-0002Kr-Ug for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 17:55:29 +0200 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 17:55:29 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 17:55:29 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 59 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:n4uvwE89sdNsc9Vlqn3PjnLoUt0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:126630 Archived-At: On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 16:15:38 +0200 Thierry Volpiatto wrote: TV> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> OK. Thanks for explaining. So from the user's viewpoint, it should be >> enough to autoload all the front-end anything-* functions (from >> anything.el ideally, so users don't have to know about >> anything-config.el as you had it in your autoload example). Can you >> make the necessary changes? Or will that require major work? TV> Maybe a function that autoload all as suggested by Dan? TV> Would not need major work, but need to discuss it with Rubikitch. Wonderful, thank you. >> Is there a list of the standard front-end functions (a subset of the >> autoloads below) that should always be exposed (through keyboard >> mappings, possibly in a menu) to Emacs users? The xfonts and file >> selection ones should be in that list for sure. TV> In which menu should we add anything commands? TV> I mean this kind of menu: TV> (easy-menu-define nil global-map TV> "`anything' menu" TV> `("Anything commands" TV> ["Find files" anything-find-files t] TV> ["Show xfonts" anything-xfonts t])) TV> Here it is in global menu, but maybe that should go in tools or don't TV> know where.(i never used menus in emacs, toolbar is disabled here). The menu location is not so important. The point is to make a list of "important" front-end functions that users should really know about. The keyboard mappings are IMO much more important because anything-* functions tend to be important while editing, not as an interactive exploration (which menus do well). So when we have the list we can propose a list of mappings and depending on whether the list has 10 or 100 entries we can anticipate the mapping complexity. On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 16:48:48 +0200 Lennart Borgman wrote: LB> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Thierry Volpiatto LB> wrote: >> >> In which menu should we add anything commands? LB> I have suggested long ago to create a top level menu for all minor LB> modes. That would make decisions like this easier. Exposing functionality creates UI complexity; Emacs is already really complex both in UI terms and in scope. So I don't think adding a general menu like that (have you seen how many minor modes Emacs has?) would benefit the users. OTOH it would be very nifty if there was a anything-minor-mode function that let you browse (with some help text) and activate minor modes. Ted