From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean Sieger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:58:44 -0400 Message-ID: <87eif7hwmj.fsf@gmail.com> References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87iq4jhz9e.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279058348 2660 80.91.229.12 (13 Jul 2010 21:59:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:59:08 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 13 23:59:06 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYnVJ-000308-Lt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:59:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41705 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYnVJ-0000bI-9h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:59:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45375 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYnVB-0000bD-DP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:58:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYnV9-0007Z2-Tr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:58:57 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:38842) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYnV9-0007Yv-KS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:58:55 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYnV7-0002vX-Co for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:58:53 +0200 Original-Received: from static-68-236-176-143.ny325.east.verizon.net ([68.236.176.143]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:58:53 +0200 Original-Received: from sean.sieger by static-68-236-176-143.ny325.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:58:53 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 35 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: static-68-236-176-143.ny325.east.verizon.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:uYjXQ45wezURZT1LYoqFRPnuXVo= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127219 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: > People that do not get this do not become rigging carpenters--- > they don't get to hang stuff over people's heads. ;-) Do you have an up/down, left/right, red/green test that potential hangers must pass? Riggers. No, it's a catch twenty-two, you can't become a rigger unless you're a rigger and ... and your father, uncles and grandfather were riggers first. Yes, spacial-conteptual tests are given. Back in the day (when we threw lit cigarettes on the stage when we were through smoking them and so on) we did what old guys told us to, people that didn't, well, didn't come back. I remember when Yale graduates first started showing up---glazed looks in their eyes, but my boss had taught them, so they came through all right. Consider timing them and counting mistakes as they try to fumble through an Emacs scrolling and window-splitting exercise. The final exam could attach hanging and dropping actions to Emacs keys (with no one onstage, of course). Yuh-huh. Every install starts with removing counterbalance-rigging and replacing it with computer-controlled drives ... red means `stand by' (warning), green means `go' (the whole f'n stage moves ... ooof). The sucky software back then was written in C++ oh-by-the-way. Rigging and Automation are not for the faint of heart. And now I know where the idea of "upstaging" someone came from. I knew something good would come of this thread. Emacs tends toward good. (That's a belief ... I didn't know I had any beliefs.)