From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: C-d deleting region considered harmful Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:49:19 +0900 Message-ID: <87eicrx1ls.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1284774582 30024 80.91.229.12 (18 Sep 2010 01:49:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 01:49:42 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 18 03:49:41 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OwmYZ-0008Ou-FU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 03:49:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54635 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OwmYY-0006eN-FN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:49:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54328 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OwmYS-0006eI-Bn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:49:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OwmYM-0000Na-Kr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:49:28 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]:43641) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OwmYM-0000NP-D6; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:49:22 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.231.154.125.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.154.125] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1OwmYK-0000ip-IE; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:49:20 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CE521DF8B; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:49:19 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Original-Lines: 31 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:130374 Archived-At: I notice that various deletion commands will now delete an active region. The most obviously useful to newbies is DEL (aka backspace), as that's what other platforms use, and I don't have any problems with that (and I might even use it occasionally) However, the effect of "C-d" deleting the active region has been driving me nuts for quite a while. I accidentally end up deleting something I didn't intend to about 10-15 times a day... usually I notice and am annoyed but can immediately hit undo, but occasionally I don't immediately notice, and end up being very very confused until I reconstruct what happened. I thought I might get used to it after a while, but so far, despite the frequency with which it happens, it's every bit as annoying as it was when it first started happening. Is there any particular _reason_ for C-d to have this effect? C-d is not a binding used by other platforms, so it has no obvious utility as newb-bait, and it's no more convenient than C-w. It seems almost entirely pointless. I propose removing this functionality from C-d. If mac/windows users want to delete a region, they can use DEL (backspace). Thanks, -Miles -- Bigot, n. One who is obstinately and zealously attached to an opinion that you do not entertain.