From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please don't refer to Emacs as "open source" Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 04:28:30 +0900 Message-ID: <87ei2ulwrl.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <010001cc29eb$fc806cb0$f5814610$@cs.ua.edu> <87vcw9ksdd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87hb7rlmjt.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <81d3if8gpc.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1308169655 29828 80.91.229.12 (15 Jun 2011 20:27:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jambunathan K Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 15 22:27:31 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QWwgV-0002fl-Gg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:27:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45275 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWwgU-0002J5-6R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:27:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:59048) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWvlS-00020k-2E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:28:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWvlQ-0003GZ-OO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:28:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mgmt1.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:52764) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWvlQ-0003Fy-5R; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:28:32 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt1.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7B03FA070B; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 04:28:28 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A00651A316C; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 04:28:30 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <81d3if8gpc.fsf@gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 8.1.93a under 21.5 (beta31) "ginger" 6b3caa55668c XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 130.158.97.223 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140513 Archived-At: Jambunathan K writes: > From what I see, Richard's polite and assertive refusal strongly > influenced Dr. Carver in to recognizing or atleast understanding > the subtle difference between "Free Software" and "Open Source". I see no evidence in the thread for that conclusion, or against it for that matter. I have, however, conducted survey research and I assure you that I would have responded quite as Dr. Carver did, no matter what I believed or learned. It pays to be polite, and it's satisfying to correct one's mistakes, even if inadvertant. IOW, a simple request would have been equally effective, I believe. > ps: I am trying to understand where all this hatred to Richard's > advocacy comes from. Hatred for his advocacy, no. I just believe in software freedom, and I think Richard's us vs. them posting style is counterproductive and mostly repels people who would otherwise be interested to learn more. I realize it's a losing battle and in recent years have been better at saying nothing, but this particular time I discovered a desire to encourage this survey, and spoke up. Personal antagonism, yes. I'm sorry it shows. I'm not a very nice person in my mailing-list persona, which has a lot to do with it. Let's leave it at that.