From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>,
lekktu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Git mirrors
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:33:46 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ehyjrhxh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1RDWao-0005w1-CQ@fencepost.gnu.org>
Eli Zaretskii writes:
> Why should you expect the Emacs project to behave differently from any
> other Free Software project?
Because most of the projects in the class you have mentioned produce
free *software*, but their political principles are those of the open
source movement. Emacs is different because it *is* a Free Software
project. One could argue that Emacs should advocate the use of the
strongest possible "team" of free software tools, rather than being
biased to the use of GNU-labeled tools. After all, the project has no
problem labelling other non-GNU tools (TeX, perl, X11) as "part of the
GNU System". But choosing tools on technical capability is clearly
not the policy of the GNU Project, so the point is moot.
> I fail to see how this interpretation can be gleaned from what's been
> said here. Projects that use git as their VCS are not being accused
> of being "unfriendly competitors" to the GNU Project, and I, for one,
> don't think they are. So what you say is simply unfair. I hope
> fairness is still a virtue around here.
Promoting an unusable tool merely because it had the GNU label is most
definitely unfriendly competition. Óscar's description is contentious
but not unfair in this particular case.
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2011-10-06 20:50 Git mirrors Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-06 20:58 ` Glenn Morris
2011-10-06 21:16 ` chad
2011-10-06 21:58 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-06 22:05 ` David Reitter
2011-10-07 0:06 ` Glenn Morris
2011-10-07 9:26 ` Julien Danjou
2011-10-09 6:19 ` Tim Cross
2011-10-07 18:43 ` Burton Samograd
2011-10-07 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-07 19:31 ` Burton Samograd
2011-10-06 22:30 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-06 22:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-06 23:11 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-06 23:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-07 0:05 ` Glenn Morris
2011-10-07 0:13 ` Glenn Morris
2011-10-07 0:45 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-07 1:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-07 15:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-07 16:37 ` Glenn Morris
2011-10-07 18:23 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-08 8:50 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-10 22:02 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-10 22:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-11 0:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-11 1:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-11 1:38 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-11 1:39 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-11 1:42 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-11 2:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-11 2:23 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-11 3:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-11 3:25 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-11 3:45 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-11 4:22 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-11 7:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 8:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 13:19 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-11 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 9:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2011-10-11 11:33 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 4:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-12 9:18 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-12 13:31 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 15:12 ` Richard Riley
2011-10-12 15:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 15:23 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 15:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 16:02 ` Jambunathan K
2011-10-12 15:32 ` Vijay Lakshminarayanan
2011-10-12 16:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 17:19 ` Vijay Lakshminarayanan
2011-10-12 18:21 ` Helmut Eller
2011-10-12 18:30 ` Jambunathan K
2011-10-12 19:25 ` Helmut Eller
2011-10-13 12:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-12 19:54 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2011-10-12 20:12 ` Burton Samograd
2011-10-13 3:21 ` Vijay Lakshminarayanan
2011-10-13 4:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-13 14:08 ` Burton Samograd
2011-10-13 16:38 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-13 14:00 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-13 22:13 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-13 23:26 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-14 1:01 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-14 2:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-14 3:13 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-14 5:22 ` Jambunathan K
2011-10-14 12:32 ` Jambunathan K
2011-10-14 4:12 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-14 9:09 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-14 9:28 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-14 11:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-14 17:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-17 7:19 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-17 8:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-17 8:31 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-17 9:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-17 12:09 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-17 12:36 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-17 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-17 14:44 ` John Yates
2011-10-17 11:57 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-17 13:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-17 15:45 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-17 14:10 ` Looming colocation [Was: Git mirrors] Alan Mackenzie
2011-10-17 16:59 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-17 19:04 ` Barry Warsaw
2011-10-17 18:49 ` Looms and Pipelines (was Re: Git mirrors) Barry Warsaw
2011-10-14 4:50 ` Git mirrors Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-14 9:27 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-14 12:29 ` Bastien
2011-10-14 13:08 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-14 14:00 ` Bastien
2011-10-14 17:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-11-29 15:29 ` Bastien
2011-10-17 9:44 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-17 16:41 ` Vijay Lakshminarayanan
2011-10-17 18:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-17 18:52 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-10-17 19:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-18 10:56 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-18 3:39 ` Vijay Lakshminarayanan
2011-10-18 2:46 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-18 5:13 ` Jambunathan K
2011-10-18 10:56 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-14 21:41 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-17 11:25 ` Michael Raitza
2011-10-13 4:55 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-13 8:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 11:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 4:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-12 8:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 10:51 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-12 10:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 14:01 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 14:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 21:54 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-11 12:56 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-11 15:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 19:34 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-11 22:03 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-13 5:10 ` Miles Bader
2011-10-11 12:34 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-11 16:39 ` What about Python? (was: Git mirrors) Barry Fishman
2011-10-11 22:03 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-11 4:08 ` Git mirrors Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 13:39 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-11 13:48 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-11 15:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-11 20:13 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-11 21:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 0:32 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 1:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-12 2:51 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 9:23 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-12 14:12 ` Dave Abrahams
2011-10-12 18:56 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 19:24 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-12 1:16 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 1:34 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 21:54 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-12 22:18 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 22:48 ` Karl Fogel
2011-10-13 5:09 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-13 8:23 ` Bastien
2011-10-13 22:13 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-14 11:55 ` Bastien
2011-10-13 13:41 ` Vijay Lakshminarayanan
2011-10-13 16:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-14 1:03 ` Vijay Lakshminarayanan
2011-10-14 13:40 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-13 22:13 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-14 3:14 ` Barry Warsaw
2011-10-14 5:40 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-13 12:46 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-13 0:08 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-13 15:39 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-13 16:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-13 17:37 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-13 16:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-13 17:35 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-12 14:46 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-12 18:57 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 20:44 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-11 22:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-11 23:33 ` James Cloos
2011-10-11 23:37 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 8:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 18:58 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 20:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 20:32 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 20:56 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 21:03 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 21:15 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 20:50 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-12 20:56 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 21:05 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-12 21:09 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 21:14 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-12 21:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 22:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 22:35 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 23:06 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 23:16 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-12 23:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-12 23:57 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-13 0:10 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-13 0:14 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-13 0:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-13 9:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-13 8:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-12 22:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2011-10-11 18:58 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-11 9:00 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-11 22:02 ` Richard Stallman
2011-10-12 1:44 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-10-08 9:26 ` Richard Riley
2011-10-08 9:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-07 4:58 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2011-10-07 7:45 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-07 8:15 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2011-10-07 8:25 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-07 13:33 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2011-10-07 16:47 ` James Cloos
2011-10-07 20:40 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-07 17:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-07 8:26 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-07 9:06 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-07 10:36 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-07 13:19 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2011-10-07 7:04 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-07 7:36 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-07 8:00 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-07 8:13 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-07 9:02 ` John Wiegley
2011-10-07 10:14 ` Paul Michael Reilly
2011-10-07 17:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-10-07 0:49 ` Leo
2011-10-12 10:05 ` Bastien
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-05-22 5:22 François Pinard
2012-05-22 6:58 ` Nick Dokos
2012-05-22 23:08 ` Bastien
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