From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: proposal to make null string handling more emacs-y Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:41:38 +0900 Message-ID: <87ehr9n8nh.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <83d36wfcf1.fsf@gnu.org> <834ns7g9r8.fsf@gnu.org> <87ty06nnxp.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87vckmm2z7.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ehr9vp0r.fsf@destructor.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1335498108 20080 80.91.229.3 (27 Apr 2012 03:41:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jeremiah Dodds Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 27 05:41:48 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SNc43-0008IE-Mh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:41:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42334 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNc43-0000e3-1C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:41:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53358) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNc40-0000dx-5G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:41:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNc3y-00076H-GL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:41:43 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp11.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.73]:44576) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNc3y-00075f-7T; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:41:42 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.231.154.2.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.154.2] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp11.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) (envelope-from ) id 1SNc3v-0007tl-Ce; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:41:39 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4626DDFC1; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:41:38 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <87ehr9vp0r.fsf@destructor.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> (Jeremiah Dodds's message of "Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:20:52 -0400") Original-Lines: 21 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 203.216.5.73 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:150077 Archived-At: Jeremiah Dodds writes: >>> and the downside is that some user is sitting there unable to start >>> Emacs because two required packages -- packages that may be used only >>> on demand or not at all -- are arguing over some runtime value. >>> That's a big downside. >> >> WTF do you keep going on about Emacs startup? > > I believe this is because it seems that the "uh-oh i got a nil when I > expected a string" error commonly happens on emacs startup, confusing > new users, presumably after loading some big bunch of elisp. Does it? I don't think I've _ever_ seen that error at startup (though I've certainly had errors during startup)... -miles -- Cynic, n. A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. Hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eyes to improve his vision.