From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nix Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:56:29 +0000 Message-ID: <87ehk8umhu.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> References: <83fw4p46nd.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehk94475.fsf@gnu.org> <83d2zt40p1.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1352127416 22138 80.91.229.3 (5 Nov 2012 14:56:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Dani Moncayo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 05 15:57:04 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TVO6p-0001u5-RY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:57:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33467 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVO6h-0007O1-47 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 09:56:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59799) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVO6Z-0007Nq-S8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 09:56:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVO6V-0003Lb-SC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 09:56:47 -0500 Original-Received: from icebox.esperi.org.uk ([81.187.191.129]:60225 helo=mail.esperi.org.uk) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVO6L-0003JQ-KF; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 09:56:33 -0500 Original-Received: from spindle.srvr.nix (nix@spindle.srvr.nix [192.168.14.15]) by mail.esperi.org.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qA5EuTZY017856; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:56:29 GMT Emacs: if it payed rent for disk space, you'd be rich. In-Reply-To: (Dani Moncayo's message of "Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:25:32 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: spindle 1290; Body=6 Fuz1=6 Fuz2=6 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 81.187.191.129 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154687 Archived-At: On 5 Nov 2012, Dani Moncayo uttered the following: >> What "widely accepted approach"? Most applications don't have names >> for the commands invoked by keys, they just use "PageDown" the key >> name. >> >> Do they generally agree on which direction "PageDown" should scroll? > > Yes. Popular web browsers and text processors interpret "PageDown" as > "show the next page". And people universally refer to it as 'scrolling down'. Of every application I have used, only Emacs calls the action carried out when you hit the page down key scrolling *up*. It still confuses me every time I need to deal with it, and I've been using Emacsen for twenty years now. -- NULL && (void)