From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Git to Bzr - what works? Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:31:43 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87ehifa85c.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <5029AB54.8020804@dancol.org> <87r4mjjvhz.fsf@lifelogs.com> <201212221804.58199.thomas@koch.ro> <87fw2ym1x5.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <871uehhpoa.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1356359129 18132 80.91.229.3 (24 Dec 2012 14:25:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:25:29 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 24 15:25:44 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tn8yN-0002CB-Ou for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:25:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33728 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tn8y9-0005ih-L1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:25:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58826) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tn8y5-0005iQ-Te for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:25:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tn8y4-0004pY-Qd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:25:25 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:35543) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tn88M-0000xG-6t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:31:58 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tn88V-0003oe-12 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:32:07 +0100 Original-Received: from c-65-96-148-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([65.96.148.157]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:32:07 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by c-65-96-148-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:32:07 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 35 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-65-96-148-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:WdPSwTHXTsLZhh/Y1ai+foF2jIU= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:155854 Archived-At: On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:28:38 +0100 Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: TN> () Thomas Koch TN> () Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:04:56 +0100 TK> - It unsettles me that the emacs team seems to continue to use an TK> inferior tool for reasons of politics instead of using the best TK> available tool. TN> That's good. So what do you do to convert this feeling into action? On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 06:56:31 +0100 Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: TN> () Ted Zlatanov TN> () Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:06:45 -0500 TZ> I think you're asking the wrong person the wrong question. TN> Well, it's happened before and it will undoubtedly happen again. (For you it's rare; for me it's a profession :) TN> Why do you think that? (<-- another instance?!) I'm happy to answer: You can't expect casual contributors to take up banners and arise. They have no history, experience, or significant stake in improving the usability of Emacs' DVCS. As far as I have those three, they lead me to keep pushing for Git, but I must be considered a casual contributor with little influence on the Emacs project. Any change must come from gentle conviction at the Emacs maintainer level and beyond (note I didn't say "above"). Ted