From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15478: cc-mode does not obey electric-indent-mode Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 16:15:14 +0300 Message-ID: <87eh825wd9.fsf@yandex.ru> References: <20130928201147.GC11317@acm.acm> <20130929091017.GA3161@acm.acm> <20131002200737.GA3895@acm.acm> <524CDA92.1030107@dancol.org> <524D06F9.3020804@easy-emacs.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1380806180 30054 80.91.229.3 (3 Oct 2013 13:16:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 15478@debbugs.gnu.org To: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 03 15:16:22 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VRilO-00052U-Mm for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 15:16:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43145 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VRilO-0007HB-6z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 09:16:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51819) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VRilF-0007Gz-8K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 09:16:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VRil9-0007cj-4G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 09:16:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:43299) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VRil9-0007ce-0T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 09:16:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VRil8-0004pv-5L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 09:16:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Dmitry Gutov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 13:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15478 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 15478-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15478.138080613918560 (code B ref 15478); Thu, 03 Oct 2013 13:16:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 15478) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2013 13:15:39 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51592 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VRiki-0004pD-C3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 09:15:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ee0-f51.google.com ([74.125.83.51]:43142) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VRikd-0004p2-8S for 15478@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 09:15:33 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ee0-f51.google.com with SMTP id c1so1061283eek.24 for <15478@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 06:15:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=a4RRrMwyuMWLrC971kF1K8x6etISuSd/guScyDSW570=; b=lfL05n9rzYNxbttYlVwN8phjCqO6PSx6YGsMPniwLEWqowA2GutajeEb+qcFFcg8uz eofMwFqLErpIble7yrJCN/azHQPGEfqB5Y6EKDcXRvDi8SDRES7yIgp/W7/bey/AMAhp Os0jzQemJbWfCwyzAw3urLpI/1EiW21VtbSqIwmUBKwZfuZepVPjwwhjR/IJnSEq1CIP +t+JEsSwhQ1/NYfrGsLz7ptkyysM6HwP4S8aVe6HxTli7fkBhe768LYNgCcvhfMaUMBe 5XgCBCcI+ZZOi699KuYeDAlzLOuEOg7eplVdMaSxkrnyIWVDXlVIN2QKyCnJQrwglCtX KquQ== X-Received: by 10.14.177.199 with SMTP id d47mr12567244eem.14.1380806130493; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 06:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from axl (93-245-142.netrun.cytanet.com.cy. [93.109.245.142]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r48sm15664682eev.14.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Oct 2013 06:15:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <524D06F9.3020804@easy-emacs.de> ("Andreas \=\?utf-8\?Q\?R\=C3\=B6h\?\= \=\?utf-8\?Q\?ler\=22's\?\= message of "Thu, 03 Oct 2013 07:56:09 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:78887 Archived-At: Andreas R=C3=B6hler writes: > Experience from python-mode says: better keep electric-stuff and common i= ndent apart. > > Being aware new users might be attracted by these shiny and useful featur= es, for Emacs beginners > a lot of surprises may result. > > IMHO that's part of the "steep learning curve", Emacs is often blamed of = - too much electric stuff for beginners. > > Rather tell at README and Info what to activate once it works. I have no strong opinion about how cc-mode should work, but having to search the documentation (or Internet) and manually enable features users may take for granted in other editors is arguably a bigger part of Emacs's "steep leaning curve".