From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Size of Gnus and Emacs (was: Re: Gnus state, feed commands) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 23:31:29 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87eh6cyqed.fsf_-_@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> References: <87ob5k1a9q.fsf__48304.1452513591$1384626024$gmane$org@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87bo1jjg1w.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87mwl11hry.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87r4adywhk.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1384900516 24555 80.91.229.3 (19 Nov 2013 22:35:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 22:35:16 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 19 23:35:22 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VittC-0003DS-A6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 23:35:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51938 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VittB-00009F-Mq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:35:21 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 46 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: VVbyYd/iFZoeWNmD9i++cQ.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:CrIvJNaYqXDYan+9Qvl86gywlTA= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:202269 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:94538 Archived-At: Eric Abrahamsen writes: > I've got %y, which is unread and unticked. > > I finally went and looked it up: unseen means the > message has never before been displayed in a summary > buffer, or seen by gnus or you. Unread means you > just haven't read it. In my case, while > experimenting, I had removed the read mark from three > messages in gmane.emacs.help, then tested from the > *Group* buffer. That meant those message were "seen" > but "unread", hence the discrepancy. Great! We should be private investigators! Off-topic Gnus note: In the Gnus manual section on daemons [1], I read > Gnus, being larger than any program ever written > (allegedly) ... So, we just have to keep this up every day, and we will have covered most of Gnus by the time we retire! What they are saying is: Gnus, a module of Emacs, is bigger than Emacs, excluding all modules on the same level as Gnus (?). Which are those? Rmail and W3M? Or even Dired? Because it would seem illogical that Gnus is bigger than Emacs, including Gnus. But could Gnus be bigger than the Linux kernel? Perhaps if you exclude all the drivers (?). What about Windows? And what about all those programs written in assembly languages (with typically several lines just to carry out branching or arithmetics)? I take it Gnus is written in Lisp with possibly some C - on the one hand, those languages don't make for very long programs. On the other hand, it is so enjoyable to extend with Elisp so probably lots of people did it, a lot. I don't know! Can it be true? [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Daemons.html -- Emanuel Berg, programmer-for-rent. CV, projects, etc at uXu underground experts united: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573