From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thorsten Jolitz Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:44:25 +0100 Message-ID: <87eh68p3o6.fsf@gmail.com> References: <5288A59E.7030109@dancol.org> <87vbzqfgd6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mwl04w3k.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <83zjoyewgn.fsf@gnu.org> <87fvqqi09q.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <83hab5en6u.fsf@gnu.org> <87a9gx8xbc.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385153092 12765 80.91.229.3 (22 Nov 2013 20:44:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:44:52 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 22 21:44:57 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjxaz-0006Us-GX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:44:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40991 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjxay-0000rd-UC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:44:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35765) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjxaq-0000rO-HY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:44:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjxaj-00036o-Qz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:44:48 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:46316) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjxaj-00036i-IM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:44:41 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjxaf-0006Hp-AO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:44:37 +0100 Original-Received: from g231233121.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.231.233.121]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:44:37 +0100 Original-Received: from tjolitz by g231233121.adsl.alicedsl.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:44:37 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 35 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: g231233121.adsl.alicedsl.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.130002 (Ma Gnus v0.2) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:H884iUbuzj8k4CN7WRKtuHDMT6Q= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165577 Archived-At: Bastien writes: > But WYSIWYG as LibreOffice does it solves really two problems: one is > the real WYSIWYG part (to edit a document with rich text formatting), > the other one is a social one (to edit a document as others will see > it.) I once tried to help somebody writing a thesis in LaTeX with [[(http://www.lyx.org/][LyX]]: #+begin_quote LyX is a document processor that encourages an approach to writing based on the structure of your documents (WYSIWYM) and not simply their appearance (WYSIWYG). LyX combines the power and flexibility of TeX/LaTeX with the ease of use of a graphical interface. #+end_quote Quite an impressive program, but is it really a success? Very quickly, LyX itself became the biggest obstacle of the project, and I realized how wonderful plain tex(t) in an Emacs buffer really is ... the thesis was finally written in Word or Open Office or so. For me, LyX lacked the power and flexibility of Emacs AucTex as well as the usability of the Libre Office alikes. Instead of combining the strengths of both worlds it lost the benefits of both approaches. So if that might happen to an WYSIWYG Emacs, I would say its not worth the pain, and all the effort should rather go into making the already fantastic Org-mode even better. -- cheers, Thorsten