From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs will never be a WYSIWYG-editor and should not try to Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:34:37 +0100 Message-ID: <87eh63wloy.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <2013-11-22T16-27-58@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <83k3g0cnby.fsf@gnu.org> <2013-11-24T11-44-42@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <83zjotbv29.fsf@gnu.org> <87iovf640c.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <5294659B.9050502@online.de> <871u234j7u.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <52946B2C.7020108@online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385458495 26575 80.91.229.3 (26 Nov 2013 09:34:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:34:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6hler?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 26 10:35:00 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VlF2o-0006s4-Jm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:34:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57443 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlF2o-00018M-5I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:34:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49488) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlF2e-000133-St for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:34:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlF2Y-0003ow-7R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:34:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x22c.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::22c]:59578) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlF2Y-0003ok-0R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:34:42 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id a1so3191722wgh.23 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 01:34:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9od7Bs1FmMg2WOgpLbe/n37wwEiFWwB35DZUXAr3x3U=; b=moSUU4re8HDTwlKX2YPj82kWfPQrzVAaJJViKpAf0AKl3CA8PUUve9zMJaQ97rLV8d tvMMxHVXUwNK8pV9hljJUyNXAJ748p+Kf7m446NEEXYVZUKPHmObFHK8uNrExv8zt9/Z GwXu6eG+BBkM3MF6U5ou/2I4m2wUxwteY00sbVO4sVtXK3FxNM1teWycYVfm1y8snwkR StbCxvdNigA6POZdEHBbO0r4Gi5AQIMEiX9Zw2JFNHEl7BoFD9n9p4sbfOsw2Eg5VnwO wAL5PaBTJXRme/9NeJ4pbyIO0HcrViJpwIoQNjqRJwQxwxyArg/vdtrqnJqBv6azPSzX 2N5Q== X-Received: by 10.180.75.46 with SMTP id z14mr17038582wiv.58.1385458481085; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 01:34:41 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from bzg.localdomain (mar75-2-81-56-68-112.fbx.proxad.net. [81.56.68.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g16sm18072681wiw.6.2013.11.26.01.34.39 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Nov 2013 01:34:39 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by bzg.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CDACB1C2087E; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:34:37 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <52946B2C.7020108@online.de> ("Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6hle?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?r=22's?= message of "Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:34:36 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165754 Archived-At: Andreas Röhler writes: >> For the second item, you can't have it without Org. > > Why not? We are speaking about org-babel, which is a great idea but not related to > the ToDo, time- and date stuff, were org-mode started and what its name indicates. Because it's technically impossible. >> For the third one, there is already >> >> M-x orgtbl-mode RET >> M-x orgstruct-mode RET > > Well, so my suggestion is to transform it into just table-mode, > struct-mode etc. The name of the minor-modes reminds people those modes use Org syntax, other names would be too generic IMHO. >> Do you have a concrete suggestion for another minor-mode >> that could spin off from Org? > > footnote? There will be a lot more with some probability... Org footnotes can be used through orgstruct-mode, I think that's enough. I grok your general idea, but I'm afraid it's too general for me now. -- Bastien