From: Nic Ferrier <nferrier@ferrier.me.uk>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: gs@schjetne.se, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: enable MELPA & Marmalade by defaul [was: mykie.el]
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 10:50:31 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87eh4izr0o.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1W0k1T-0005tV-SZ@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 07 Jan 2014 22:41:39 -0500")
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>
> A program with no license notice is not free software.
> (See http://gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#NoLicense.)
> It is very bad practice for a repository to permits nonfree programs.
> Every repository should have a policy not to do that.
>
> > It seems like a reasonable assumption that the overwhelming mass is
> > licensed under the GPL, but I absolutely do think a user cannot tell
> > whether an unlabelled package is free or not, at least I can't, not
> > without consulting the author.
>
> If a source file doesn't have a license notice then it is nonfree.
>
> Maybe this policy results from a misunderstanding on the part
> of whoever runs Marmalade. We should try explaining the facts
> about missing licenses and see if the maintainer of Marmalade
> will change the policy to stop allowing them. Can someone put me
> in touch with the right people?
I run marmalade.
It is not a misunderstanding on my part.
You and I have spoken about it already on email.
My position is that I *do* want to add licence functionality to
marmalade.
The functionality will:
* allow package authors to choose what licence they distribute their
code under (hopefully without any extra effort if the licence is
stated in the code in the usual Emacs way)
* allow users of marmalade to choose to use a repository which is
exclusively:
** Free software only
** or GPL only
** or GPL + LGPL
But I am not ready to introduce those features yet. I am still
struggling with getting marmalade even functional (it is very bad code
that I inherited).
I am (slowly) getting there.
I said earlier in this thread that I thought recommending a package
archive other than ELPA was a very bad idea. The licence issue is just
one reason.
Another is control and understanding of who wrote what package. MELPA is
anarchy in this regard (which some think is a good thing). Marmalade is
not much better.
Signed packages are being worked on. When I have introduced signed
package functionality to marmalade and when I have introduced the
licence features then I would be happy for marmalade to be included as a
recommendation in an Emacs distribution.
Till then, as the maintainer of Marmalade I would ask you not to do
that.
Nic Ferrier
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-01-08 10:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-01-03 20:09 mykie.el Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-03 21:37 ` mykie.el Bozhidar Batsov
2014-01-04 1:08 ` mykie.el Yuta Yamada
2014-01-06 22:47 ` mykie.el, mykie.el Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-06 23:00 ` enable MELPA & Marmalade by defaul [was: mykie.el] Drew Adams
2014-01-06 23:42 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-07 0:29 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-07 1:08 ` Eric Brown
2014-01-07 5:39 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-07 8:33 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-01-07 8:38 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-07 14:41 ` Grim Schjetne
2014-01-07 15:12 ` Stephen Berman
2014-01-07 17:44 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-07 20:55 ` Stephen Berman
2014-01-08 11:52 ` Tassilo Horn
2014-01-08 13:19 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-08 14:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-08 17:19 ` enable MELPA & Marmalade by defaul Glenn Morris
2014-01-07 17:44 ` enable MELPA & Marmalade by defaul [was: mykie.el] Drew Adams
2014-01-08 3:41 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-08 4:26 ` Bob Bobeck
2014-01-08 10:50 ` Nic Ferrier [this message]
2014-01-08 17:54 ` Achim Gratz
2014-01-09 3:00 ` Andy Moreton
2014-01-09 6:55 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-01-09 7:55 ` Tassilo Horn
2014-01-09 11:24 ` chad
2014-01-09 18:15 ` Achim Gratz
2014-01-08 3:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-08 10:32 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-07 16:53 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-08 3:15 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-08 9:27 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <<a62bb795-44d9-44dd-b17a-d5294c21d2b0@default>
[not found] ` <<E1W0Zto-0000A5-VX@fencepost.gnu.org>
2014-01-07 17:44 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-07 16:16 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-07 17:44 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-08 3:41 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-04 2:02 ` mykie.el Yuta Yamada
2014-01-04 4:34 ` mykie.el Stefan Monnier
2014-01-04 8:36 ` mykie.el Leo Liu
2014-01-05 8:10 ` mykie.el Mitchel Humpherys
2014-01-05 10:29 ` mykie.el Leo Liu
2014-01-06 16:09 ` mykie.el Nicolas Richard
2014-01-06 22:38 ` mykie.el Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-07 0:37 ` mykie.el Stefan Monnier
2014-01-07 23:21 ` mykie.el Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-08 3:24 ` mykie.el Stefan Monnier
2014-01-08 15:44 ` mykie.el Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-08 16:11 ` mykie.el Stefan Monnier
2014-01-08 16:38 ` mykie.el Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-08 17:24 ` mykie.el Stefan Monnier
2014-01-09 8:13 ` mykie.el Tassilo Horn
2014-01-09 15:29 ` mykie.el Stefan Monnier
2014-01-09 18:43 ` mykie.el Yuta Yamada
2014-01-11 20:23 ` mykie.el Yuta Yamada
2014-01-12 14:45 ` mykie.el Stefan Monnier
2014-01-12 18:32 ` mykie.el Yuta Yamada
2014-01-12 19:46 ` mykie.el Stefan Monnier
2014-01-12 22:51 ` mykie.el Yuta Yamada
2014-01-13 3:38 ` mykie.el Stefan Monnier
2014-01-13 4:59 ` mykie.el Yuta Yamada
2014-01-13 14:03 ` mykie.el Stefan Monnier
2014-01-13 16:09 ` mykie.el Yuta Yamada
2014-01-08 21:21 ` mykie.el Yuta Yamada
2014-01-06 5:31 ` mykie.el Yuta Yamada
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