From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Wherein I argue for the inclusion of libnettle in Emacs 24.5 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:36:18 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87eh3iendp.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87ha8f3jt1.fsf@building.gnus.org> <871tzjf2m3.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ha8f545d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1391540226 12032 80.91.229.3 (4 Feb 2014 18:57:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 18:57:06 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 04 19:57:12 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WAlBH-0007u1-NJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 19:57:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54212 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WAlBH-00028Z-DD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:57:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35761) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WAl9M-0008WJ-IL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:55:18 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WAl9F-00041M-33 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:55:12 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:44122) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WAl9E-0003yv-Th for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 13:55:05 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WAkuh-0007gP-Gj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 19:40:03 +0100 Original-Received: from c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.229.61.72]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 19:40:03 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2014 19:40:03 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:fIkXrQGaTEGG5ZDlN95Tdm04z/8= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169391 Archived-At: On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 23:44:14 +0900 "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: SJT> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> Encryption is not an optional feature, it's a part of the security >> model (of which Emacs has very little, as a language and as a platform). SJT> Precisely. You've just explained in two lines why you're going to SJT> lose this battle. SJT> Until Emacs *has* a security model, as a language or as a platform, SJT> encryption *is* "just a feature". Without that, your best bet is to SJT> sign on with larsi's "it's a f---ing important f---ture, g-------t!" SJT> line. Thanks for explaining. SJT> I-don't-expect-you-to-listen-or-understand-but-may-as-well-try-ly y'rs, That's very kind of you. Ted