From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: H in info-mode as another describe-mode? Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 15:06:17 -0400 Message-ID: <87eh32x4gm.fsf@moondust.localdomain> References: <201402141623.s1EGNEOA022999@freefriends.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1392582860 22443 80.91.229.3 (16 Feb 2014 20:34:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 20:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Karl Berry To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 16 21:34:28 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WF8Pz-0005DQ-VT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 21:34:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34932 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WF8Pz-0003ck-J7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 15:34:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41035) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WF735-0004wf-OD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:06:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WF72x-0006HZ-B6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:06:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-qa0-x22c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22c]:48893) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WF72i-0006EO-IV; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:06:20 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-qa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id w5so20538396qac.17 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 11:06:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QXuBUXxFUJxM5/9E1xumwKWtp+RkvjrJsXoewzWWw+I=; b=Pk88WpTdymM/fvHqrfDsbMA7+DGpghQjy7y4ZZPrUg4vdRq6Rpr59sYxaokbIIypVs yTaVXlJdUiyiU4n3EgIufFlBCHHV5YPfeBb7N9Ino3owOG9JsVigymfbbFp1oco6txk4 sUd3chbtctEXAE99LKsCpTwworwnhZhItfhVg4fv4YB6ugz7X6gevGzInOWQuWTrzuer /sKnr8UOR9VWe72IcBccE6wvEufUGfLwXdQq6P/VuKWwXytBjH6RuTDgdywlBNvKHCDd DVamthJkGsTsrSncNvyU9oBBs9d4GPKjOPhqUTa02jbhzP9HufiFWEnpjEEN+88PdnTc yiLg== X-Received: by 10.224.121.137 with SMTP id h9mr30049603qar.55.1392577579957; Sun, 16 Feb 2014 11:06:19 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from moondust.localdomain.nodomain.none (T8630.WPA.Dal.Ca. [134.190.134.48]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q10sm37472969qaj.13.2014.02.16.11.06.18 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 16 Feb 2014 11:06:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201402141623.s1EGNEOA022999@freefriends.org> (Karl Berry's message of "Fri, 14 Feb 2014 16:23:14 GMT") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22c X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 15:34:25 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169665 Archived-At: At 12:23 -0400 on Friday 2014-02-14, Karl Berry wrote: > Hello Emacs folks. Would you be ok with a change to make H in info-mode > do describe-mode (it's currently unbound), plus mention it up front in > the info.texi manual? I feel this ought to go in "(info)Top" near where it currently says: If you are new to the Info reader and want to learn how to use it, type the command =E2=80=98h=E2=80=99 now. It brings you to a programme= d instruction sequence. Something like the following sentence could be added, perhaps at the end of that very paragraph: For a quick summary of key bindings type =E2=80=98?=E2=80=99 or =E2=80= =98H=E2=80=99. This could be very helpful (by saving users from spending hours in the very low-information-density Info tutorial when they might be able to find the commands they need in a few seconds from the summary of key bindings). Note that the =E2=80=98?=E2=80=99 keybinding already works in both the Emac= s Info viewer and stand-alone Info. However it is not listed in the summary of key bindings and maybe it ought to be? Another thing: In the Emacs Info viewer, navigation in the summary of key bindings is vexing. Scrolling with the mouse or with the cursor (arrow) keys doesn't work, they just exit. Only SPC and S-SPC work.