From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:12:05 +0900 Message-ID: <87eh29nlp6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <83bnxuzyl4.fsf@gnu.org> <871tyqes5q.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87a9ddg7o8.fsf@engster.org> <87d2i9ee8t.fsf@engster.org> <874n3ke1qn.fsf@engster.org> <87sir336qn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20140301215057.GA19461@thyrsus.com> <87fvn1y0vx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87fvn0senq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8761nusb90.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1394529211 24396 80.91.229.3 (11 Mar 2014 09:13:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 09:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 11 10:13:39 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WNIkk-0007f7-HD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:13:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53051 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WNIkk-0000I2-2o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 05:13:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51274) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WNIka-0000Gy-Qc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 05:13:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WNIkT-0001oI-8w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 05:13:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:47587) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WNIkL-0001G3-EM; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 05:13:13 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E43297069B; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:12:05 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2AD781A28DC; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:12:05 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" 2a0f42961ed4 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:170274 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Your arguments, which oppose more basic points, belong on > gnu-misc-discuss, not here. Point taken. I will, however, correct some blatant misstatements. > Rather, you're against the broader goal which this specific decision > is meant to achieve. This is false. > What bothers you is not the possibility that this Emacs decision > might fail, but that it might succeed. That's also false. > One way you do this is by attacking decisions about how to > implement them, claiming the decision will backfire. That's not my claim, assuming that by "backfire" you mean Stefan's worry about a Pyrrhic victory. Regards,