From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to cite the Emacs and Calc manuals? Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 03:39:37 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87egrcoady.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87bnmnkpw4.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1420252824 31835 80.91.229.3 (3 Jan 2015 02:40:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 02:40:24 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 03 03:40:17 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7EdV-000433-M8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 03:40:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53327 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7EdU-0000bo-Tb for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Jan 2015 21:40:16 -0500 X-FeedAbuse: http://nntpfeed.proxad.net/abuse.pl feeded by 195.154.128.97 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!nntpfeed.proxad.net!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!gegeweb.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 46 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: feB02bRejf23rfBm51Mt7Q.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:uAFAIdcoT3v7sL/BaWRSBGOAK40= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:209574 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101852 Archived-At: Marcin Borkowski writes: > - what is the author? It says on the first page: > "This manual, also written (mostly) by Dave > Gillespie [...]" - so is it "Dave Gillespie" or > "Dave Gillespie et al." or what? - what is the year > of publication? It says on the first page: > "Copyright (C) 1990-1991, 2001-2013 Free Software > Foundation, Inc." - so is it 2013? - what is the > publisher? I guess FSF, but they don't have it in > their dead trees web page shop. - not to mention the > place of publishing (usually it's the name of a > city). Look for an ISBN, the rest isn't a life-or-death issue. Google the ISBN if you want to see what other people wrote (how they filled in the blank). > So for me, it is not at all clear. Except for the ISBN, often it is not entirely consistent. Because of the ISBN, I don't see that as a problem, really. >> By the way, I think it was gnuplot: the first time >> you use it it outputs an entry just like that how >> to cite it in a paper! While I think that is a bit >> silly, software COULD come with an option, e.g. >> --cite so you could output it that way (and/or it >> could be mentioned in the man page). Why not? It is >> easy to do and some people would actually use it as >> well. > > +1. At least the manuals (especially huge, > well-written manuals like the Calc's one) could > contain information like that. The reason they did it for gnuplot is that it is very common for people to include such figures in papers and books. The Emacs influence to world literature is of course not as immediately obvious, but no doubt huge by comparison. It is the dark druids alright. They act but aren't seen... -- underground experts united