From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: if vs. when vs. and: style question Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 18:49:52 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87ego5jemn.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87sicvwckx.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <87wq27yvqg.fsf@debian.uxu> <8d531e99-7260-4263-ac99-09c6871e2708@googlegroups.com> <87vbhq53lf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87a8z23p23.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87lhilx0cf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87twx9360u.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <0d1d19ab-06e9-462d-8867-9a49b1e232d3@googlegroups.com> <87lhil2io1.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87h9t92chk.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <2227597f-1d99-4283-a3df-505663eb175b@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1427820626 6558 80.91.229.3 (31 Mar 2015 16:50:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 16:50:26 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 31 18:50:26 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YczMp-00017l-5d for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 18:50:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39664 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YczMo-0003VW-Ei for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 12:50:18 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!us.feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 47 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: feB02bRejf23rfBm51Mt7Q.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:oiqhwRjG/Jp6DLL5xN07GfhLJCs= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:211188 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103470 Archived-At: Rusi writes: > I wrote: Hey! Emacs (Elisp) is civilized! > followed by definitions of ... Just because something is more specific, supposedly advanced (in isolation), and possible to do (of course it is), it doesn't mean it is a good idea. Fore example: HTML mails instead of ASCII ditto, LaTeX homepages (i.e., PDF files) vs. HTML, GUIs vs. CLI, the mouse vs. the keyboard - all more recent, supposedly more advanced methods, all possible, and realized long ago. Question: But then, why do so many people still don't like them, and won't use them? Answer: If you keep it simple, stick to the basics, then the limit is on you - and, if you master the basics (which you never do, completely, which is natural, and a good thing), then the *sky* is the limit. But: if you master the GUI, the GUI is the limit! This is why the people who use the basic, simple, but combinable stuff are much better at computers, because they don't put chains on themselves to crop their creativity, activity, and energy. Even tho the basic stuff is more difficult day one, very soon the specific-stuff-people will hit the ceiling, a ceiling which doesn't exist for the basic-stuff-people - their ceiling is their own dedication and energy, and as long as they have that, they are on an upward trajectory. Just look: You already discuss what chars are included, what chars should be included, and so on. So the limitation is what chars you can and can not print?! That is bizarre! The ASCII people have everything they need and the limitation is their own mental-physical capacity, which they can constantly push one centimeter upwards for every step they take. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573