From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Oleh Krehel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. 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[131.155.69.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ma15sm22442742wic.20.2015.06.23.06.29.10 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Jun 2015 06:29:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Nikolai Weibull's message of "Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:02:56 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187414 Archived-At: Nikolai Weibull writes: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >> On 06/23/2015 06:16 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > >> As Andreas mentioned before, not every native English speaker is accusto= med >> to them, and certainly not most of the people for whom English is not a >> native language. > > It=E2=80=99s probably not worth noting, but that can=E2=80=99t possible b= e true. Is > someone who sees =E2=80=98=E2=80=98=E2=80=99 going to wonder what that sy= mbol means, whereas > if they see =E2=80=98'=E2=80=99 they=E2=80=99ll go =E2=80=9Caha!=E2=80=9D? >From my perspective (English isn't my mother-tongue), it's totally true. Honestly, it's very weird to see "It=E2=80=99s" written by you, when I'm us= ed to seeing "It's" in all electronic media (which accounts for 100% of my English usage). The only place where I think "It=E2=80=99s" is appropriate instead of "It's" is a LaTeX-typeset PDF document: not HTML, not email, not social media, not Info, and certainly not source code. And even in LaTeX ASCII is used to typeset these characters for the simple reason that they are present on 95% of the keyboards with an English layout. Same thing goes for =E2=80=9Caha!=E2=80=9D. I actually remember seeing thes= e type of quotes (very rarely) even before I have learned Emacs. And I recall being super-annoyed that my regular quotes that I had just learned how to insert with my keyboard looked different. At that point, I had no idea about ASCII or Unicode, or programming, and knew only the basics of computer interaction, such as using the keyboard and the clipboard.