From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alexis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Current discussion Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 11:57:46 +1100 Message-ID: <87eggzpotx.fsf@gmail.com> References: <83oag4q0ev.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444697899 23466 80.91.229.3 (13 Oct 2015 00:58:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 00:58:19 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 13 02:58:15 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zlnuw-0004yE-DK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 02:58:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59722 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zlnuv-0007F5-7a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:58:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48058) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zlnuf-0007CO-6U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:57:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zlnub-00058q-W7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:57:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x22a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22a]:33339) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zlnub-00058Z-P4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:57:53 -0400 Original-Received: by pabrc13 with SMTP id rc13so3250479pab.0 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:57:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; bh=h24h/zH+zkVu5CABjYPC58lpCTfnIf1UlLYLVnxP1mM=; b=b2Pb3WHRWOCJjPkXHx4VWr1DQSfWiwACf5ZKdVjOcBjF2UtjIqI+Ulf2z9RkykzmIs 2kBvy2yVJiQ0TzmPjXzbF6/l4JJWXux7t/L1QH7EeBna8CqNPoOxVI1gqF20zESuHF/9 07694Ouo4Qo2qQy+z2MHe1Moy4Bo9UVoq2PWk0fNNZSzj1Tnfo1eQYlbolMtddI/LH4M UD+x6fiJLWOxUcms0g1rITCKgtF6ZnfN8tGSC6ZC0L1EjT9jPtNIe5eUqa/FoLEGf4g2 F81YSdrgpCKQ63R/mRQdcgAKcOSFDjwKkpJXIQF7mzom+bTX+CI73s7Hg4Jk/QEWe0GS YpZw== X-Received: by 10.66.161.234 with SMTP id xv10mr20061048pab.131.1444697872588; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (CPE-58-161-15-29.cqqy2.win.bigpond.net.au. [58.161.15.29]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ir4sm243445pbb.93.2015.10.12.17.57.50 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:57:51 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191415 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Can anyone suggest an expert on refactoring who would be good to > include? i think that refactoring is something that's paradigm- and/or language-specific. For example, Java doesn't (afaik) have CL-style macros, so there might be refactoring opportunities available in the latter that aren't available in the former; and even in terms of OO, i imagine that the combination of CLOS and MOP would result in different OO refactoring opportunities in CL than in Java. This is why language-specific IDEs can be so powerful - they can utilise domain-specific knowledge rather than only being able to provide functionality based on the lowest common denominator. Alexis.