From: Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Character folding issues with isearch (was: bug#22038: 25.1.50; ...)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 13:33:34 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87egf9rnmp.fsf_-_@gmx.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1a2v6Y-0003El-W7@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 29 Nov 2015 01:04:58 -0500")
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 01:04:58 -0500 Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> > maybe you are
> > referring to a more subtle issue, which may be unrelated to my point,
> > which is simply that I think it should be just as convenient for a user
> > whose keyboard may lack "ß" or "æ" to match these characters by
> > searching with "s" or "a" (or "e" or "ae") as it is to match "ff" by
> > searching with "f". This is not a language-specific issue AFAICS.
>
> When a character has a standard equivalent character series in a
> certain language, as "ß" does in German, that is a specific powerful
> argument for isearch to treat the two as equivalent. But this
> argument doesn't apply in a a language-independent way.
I think I conflated two issues better treated separately. What seems to
me really to be language-independent is being able to match characters
which as written obviously (i.e., whether you know the language or not)
are a combination of characters including the one(s) used in the search
string (whether or not such "compound" characters are Unicode composite
characters); e.g. using "a" (or "e" or "ae") to match "æ" (this includes
not just ligatures but also such composite characters as "℻"). Such
cases I think Emacs should ideally (i.e. WIBNI) handle by default. In
contrast, I now agree that the case of "ß" really is language-specific,
since it is not obvious (unless you know German or the history of this
character) that it is a "compound" including "s". Such cases could
ideally be handled by a language-specific setting or, as a workaround,
by customization.
Steve Berman
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-11-29 12:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-11-28 16:07 bug#22038: 25.1.50; Character folding issues with isearch Stephen Berman
2015-11-28 16:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-28 17:10 ` Stephen Berman
2015-11-28 17:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-28 18:26 ` Stephen Berman
2015-11-28 18:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-29 6:04 ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-29 12:33 ` Stephen Berman [this message]
2015-11-29 0:06 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-29 9:52 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-11-29 15:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
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