From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: First draft of the Emacs website Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 07:06:38 +0100 Message-ID: <87egf2wxw1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87io4lem98.fsf@petton.fr> <56604A9C.7080508@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1449209252 16643 80.91.229.3 (4 Dec 2015 06:07:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 06:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Drew Adams , Emacs developers To: John Yates Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 04 07:07:31 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a4jWi-0001Sw-P4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 07:07:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38848 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4jWh-0006gP-T3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 01:07:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48204) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4jWO-0006do-6m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 01:07:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4jWN-0001I6-By for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 01:07:08 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:55844) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4jWN-0001I2-8y; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 01:07:07 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41430 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1a4jWM-0007wE-6B; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 01:07:06 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 814F7E0C07; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 07:06:38 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (John Yates's message of "Thu, 3 Dec 2015 18:26:16 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:195849 Archived-At: John Yates writes: > Drew, > > You and I are old "grey beards". My point was that mentioning things that > we - as seasoned users of Emacs - like is quite a bit different from > imagining the website as a sales pitch to someone who has not used Emacs > but _might_ - given an appropriate message - be coaxed into trying it. If > you accept such messaging as the site's first goal then you have to try to > put yourself in the mindset of such a viewer. > > Your comments suggest that perhaps you do not buy into that being the first > goal. Why would a newcomer be interested in an old tool that merely does what the new tools already do? "Run with the herd like an octogenarian" is not a sales pitch. For better or worse, the reason to choose Emacs over other options is for the things it does differently, not the things it tries doing the same. -- David Kastrup