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From: "Johan Bockgård" <bojohan@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>,
	Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
Subject: Re: master 71783e9: Add the string-numeric-lessp function
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:14:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87egbmf0s3.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5ea313cd-bc7f-4c18-abe3-69bcc4838cbf@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 6 Mar 2016 18:27:50 -0800 (PST)")

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

> `string-numeric-lessp' really should follow the Emacs
> convention and be called `string-numeric-less-p'.
>
> It's not because `string-less-p' is misnamed that we
> should add to this mistake.  `time-less-p' is correctly
> named, for example.
>
> Or else the rule should be clarified to incorporate
> `-lessp' exceptions, so they are within, and not outside,
> the rule.

I think the rule in the Emacs Lisp manual is too simplistic. In practice
we seem to follow something closer to this rule:


   By convention, the names of predicates usually end in the letter p
   (which stands for ``predicate''). Common Lisp uses a uniform
   convention in hyphenating names of predicates. If the name of the
   predicate is formed by adding a p to an existing name, such as the
   name of a data type, a hyphen is placed before the final p if and
   only if there is a hyphen in the existing name. For example, number
   begets numberp but standard-char begets standard-char-p. On the other
   hand, if the name of a predicate is formed by adding a prefixing
   qualifier to the front of an existing predicate name, the two names
   are joined with a hyphen and the presence or absence of a hyphen
   before the final p is not changed. For example, the predicate
   string-lessp has no hyphen before the p because it is the string
   version of lessp (a MacLisp function that has been renamed < in
   Common Lisp). The name string-less-p would incorrectly imply that it
   is a predicate that tests for a kind of object called a string-less,
   and the name stringlessp would connote a predicate that tests whether
   something has no strings (is ``stringless'')!

from CLTL, https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node69.html



  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-07 21:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20160221043348.25201.81719@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <E1aXLiO-0006ZB-4R@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2016-02-21  4:43   ` master 71783e9: Add the string-numeric-lessp function Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-21  5:36     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-21  6:15       ` Stephan Mueller
2016-02-21 10:02         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-21 19:35           ` Yuri Khan
2016-02-22  2:51             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-22 17:59             ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-21 21:30     ` Paul Eggert
2016-02-22  1:32       ` Andy Moreton
2016-02-22  4:01         ` Paul Eggert
2016-02-22 16:11           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22  2:53       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-22  3:50         ` Paul Eggert
2016-02-22  4:00           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-22  4:16             ` Paul Eggert
2016-02-22  4:22               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-22  5:56                 ` Paul Eggert
2016-03-07  0:16               ` Juri Linkov
2016-03-07  0:53                 ` Paul Eggert
2016-03-07 17:45                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-07 17:49                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-07 23:55                     ` Juri Linkov
2016-03-07 23:52                   ` Juri Linkov
2016-03-08  2:06                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-03-08  9:26                       ` Andreas Schwab
2016-03-09  9:26                         ` Paul Eggert
2016-03-07  2:27                 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-07 21:14                   ` Johan Bockgård [this message]
2016-03-07 22:03                     ` Drew Adams

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